From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Transient Mark Mode on by default Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:46:46 +0200 Message-ID: <85iqz3l4ih.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324200911.GA1310@muc.de> <001e01c88dee$34267e90$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <20080324210229.GB1310@muc.de> <85myogm1to.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <47F01158.1040201@hpalace.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206949629 11741 80.91.229.12 (31 Mar 2008 07:47:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 07:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: paul r , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: M Jared Finder Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 31 09:47:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JgEk0-0005KE-Jh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:47:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgEjO-0000EV-Ku for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:47:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgEjJ-0000Ck-2m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:46:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JgEjG-0000CY-M7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:46:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JgEjG-0000CV-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:46:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-12.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.52]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JgEjF-000368-Tp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:46:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-06-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.18]) by mail-in-12.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E744C3CD; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:46:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (mail-in-07.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.47]) by mail-in-06-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 136B35BD69; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:46:52 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-058-000.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.58.0]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E279D292B62; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:46:51 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 111351C5682B; Mon, 31 Mar 2008 09:46:46 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <47F01158.1040201@hpalace.com> (M. Jared Finder's message of "Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:16:56 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/6495/Mon Mar 31 04:43:39 2008 on mail-in-07.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:94019 Archived-At: M Jared Finder writes: > And I use cua-mode. > > You guys all say the experienced user never uses cua-mode, No, we don't. What is it in this thread that makes people invent straw men all the time? > and that the newb would be confused because it makes Emacs > inconsistent with itself. I completely disagree. If cua-mode did not > exist, I *would not be using Emacs today*. So you are a newbie? > As a solution to this whole problem, why not place an option on the > splash screen that chooses if cua-mode is on or not? Because the splash screen is optional and not the right place for it: people might no longer find it. CUA mode is right in the "Options" menu where people looking for it can find it. > That way newer users will always see the option, right in their face, > and it could default to being enabled if you see the splash screen. A user that is incapable of clicking on "Options" for setting options is not the Emacs target audience. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum