From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:40:41 +0200 Message-ID: <85iqux92za.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <48861A51.1090401@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216752078 10329 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 18:41:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:41:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lord@emf.net, rms@gnu.org, drobinow@gmail.com, hannes@saeurebad.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, miles@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 20:42:06 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLMo8-0005ie-8g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:41:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47396 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLMnE-00027r-UG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:41:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLMnA-00027m-RE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:40:56 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLMn8-00027a-Cw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:40:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=33492 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLMn8-00027X-4u for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:40:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-11.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.51]:39453) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLMmz-0007tW-IU; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:40:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.28]) by mail-in-11.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A12126FA; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:40:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E2A3465AB; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:40:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-051-249.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.51.249]) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8F33226E4; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:40:42 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 12F981C1346B; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:40:41 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <48861A51.1090401@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:35:13 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7782/Tue Jul 22 20:02:32 2008 on mail-in-03.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101235 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > Richard M Stallman wrote: >> And once again: If this did not work easily on w32 too it might >> stop people from using it. >> >> We must reject any presumption that free programs should work on >> Windows. > > Yes, but that is a different thing. IF making free programs working on > windows helps promote GNU/Linux (or Herd) is not that good? Our first goal is to have a free operating system. This benefits everybody since anybody is free to use that as long as his hardware supports it. So if people work on Windows software who would otherwise work on improving a free system, everybody loses, while only the users of the non-free operating system gain. If people who work only on proprietary systems otherwise make free software work on those systems, nobody loses. In short, we should not lose our focus. Winning people to free software through Emacs on Windows can't work if the free systems become worse because of the redirection of effort. If we want to win them over to free systems, we should make the free systems as good as we can, not the unfree ones. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum