From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:12:15 +0200 Message-ID: <85hcdvxekg.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <004a01c8a1a0$7215cdd0$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <878wz9btq8.fsf@jurta.org> <85fxthy4qp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87hcdxz9zr.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <87ve2cfk9x.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <200804201931.m3KJVO4X008875@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <858wz8ux2w.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BA779.2080507@gmail.com> <853apguv0s.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BAD5C.4090204@gmail.com> <85prskte96.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480BB8C0.4020303@gmail.com> <85abjnu5ss.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480C31B9.6060900@gmail.com> <85y777sp1i.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480C36D8.1060500@gmail.com> <85r6czsg5u.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <480CC486.9030406@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208801720 1259 80.91.229.12 (21 Apr 2008 18:15:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:15:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, Chong Yidong , "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov , Dan Nicolaescu , drew.adams@oracle.com To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 21 20:15:54 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jo0YP-0007Tw-AR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:15:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo0Xe-0005z1-SX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:15:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo0XZ-0005yV-T5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:14:57 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo0XP-0005xL-5Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:14:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jo0XP-0005xI-36 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:14:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.45]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jo0VM-0003mB-OJ; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:12:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-12-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-12-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.29]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46CD019B94F; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:12:22 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (mail-in-02.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.42]) by mail-in-12-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B77279463; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:12:22 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-038-079.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.38.79]) by mail-in-02.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99EAE27EC7; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:12:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 993251C3C7BC; Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:12:15 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:47:13 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/6865/Mon Apr 21 17:43:29 2008 on mail-in-02.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95668 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >>>> Don't you think that new users will expect arrow keys without shift to >>>> deactivate the region? >>> >>> Please make a copy of Wordpad and call it Emacs. Presumably that should >>> meet all of your new users' expectations without you needing to bother >>> the rest of the list readers. > >> Maybe I have better get used to Wordpad. Your sparkling intelligence will >> perhaps scare away all new users and finally kill Emacs. > > The code, people, look at the code. It apparently is in a state of complete messiness which indeed introduces some sort of "shiftiness active". Try S-Right S-Right C-x C-x Left. The region is not extended. I don't remember _any_ discussion about this somewhat volatile _additional_ region active state (of which there are already too many). Or try something like C-SPC Right Right C-x C-x S-Left and look and behold, the existing active region gets removed and a new is started. What is the design for that, if any? Can somebody express the current default semantics in a few simple sentences? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum