From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Wolfgang Jenkner Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Calling (package-initialize) sooner during initialization Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:29:31 +0200 Message-ID: <85h9s0w44i.fsf@iznogoud.viz> References: <87383xk4ia.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> <87d22zi69k.fsf@taylan.uni.cx> <87a8xtoq3a.fsf@gmail.com> <87sibkemtw.fsf@gmail.com> <87618gem24.fsf@gmail.com> <85tww0w9nm.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <93070d16-c58a-4972-96b5-8fafb81cbd9a@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1430242376 1525 80.91.229.3 (28 Apr 2015 17:32:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:32:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Oleh Krehel , Artur Malabarba , emacs-devel To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 28 19:32:48 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn9N9-0004UF-3l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:32:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35197 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn9N8-0002rR-8Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:32:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34454) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn9Mq-0002rL-H6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:32:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn9Mm-0007fV-EG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:32:20 -0400 Original-Received: from b2bfep14.mx.upcmail.net ([62.179.121.59]:52504) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn9Mm-0007fK-4D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 13:32:16 -0400 Original-Received: from edge11.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.81]) by b2bfep14.mx.upcmail.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.11 201-2260-151-128-20120928) with ESMTP id <20150428173214.HKK11972.b2bfep14-int.chello.at@edge11.upcmail.net> for ; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:32:14 +0200 Original-Received: from iznogoud.viz ([91.119.213.112]) by edge11.upcmail.net with edge id MVYD1q0152S43rv0BVYDE9; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:32:14 +0200 X-SourceIP: 91.119.213.112 Original-Received: from wolfgang by iznogoud.viz with local (Exim 4.85 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Yn9Mj-0000if-6d; Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:32:13 +0200 Mail-Followup-To: Drew Adams , Oleh Krehel , Artur Malabarba , emacs-devel User-Agent: Gnus/5.130012 (Ma Gnus v0.12) Emacs/25.0.50 (berkeley-unix) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 62.179.121.59 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185978 Archived-At: On Tue, Apr 28 2015, Drew Adams wrote: > Doesn't sound like a great idea, to me. (Perhaps it was a joke?) Not at all. The purpose is to clearly indicate that setting or binding the variable in the straightforward (and normal, if you will) way won't work. > You propose to pretty-print the `custom-set' value, which is a > lambda form or a symbol, systematically for `C-h v'. Yes (if it's non-nil, of course). > For one thing, that information is already available from `C-h v', > by clicking the link for the file where the option is defined. > That shows you not only the custom setter but the `:type' info etc. > - the complete `defcustom'. The docstring is supposed to (informally) indicate which values make sense. So, usually, it's not necessary to follow the link to the source for this. Wolfgang