From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal for a 22.2/trunk development model Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:41:33 +0200 Message-ID: <85fy4rn96q.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <6sps3z32ap.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87tztbcue9.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87lkemmrg4.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <18033.64249.816850.550250@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <200706161422.l5GEMTJ5009556@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <85odjgm0co.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <200706161601.l5GG13Pv014810@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1182012149 21506 80.91.229.12 (16 Jun 2007 16:42:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2007 16:42:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rgm@gnu.org, handa@m17n.org, Nick Roberts , emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, cyd@stupidchicken.com To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 16 18:42:27 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HzbM3-0004kC-7f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:42:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzbM2-00033E-PZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:42:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HzbLm-0002hz-7Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:42:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HzbLk-0002g6-VU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:42:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HzbLk-0002fj-OG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:42:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-10.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.50]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HzbLj-0004I1-5e; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:42:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-08-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-08-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.20]) by mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C4BC1F58B2; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:42:05 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-11.arcor-online.net (mail-in-11.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.51]) by mail-in-08-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDA97212FB7; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:42:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-025-018.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.25.18]) by mail-in-11.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA7411FCB; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:42:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 278891D0340C; Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:41:33 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <200706161601.l5GG13Pv014810@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Sat\, 16 Jun 2007 09\:01\:03 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73076 Archived-At: Dan Nicolaescu writes: > David Kastrup writes: > > > Dan Nicolaescu writes: > > > > > Richard Stallman writes: > > > > > > > I have decided that we should not merge unicode-2 until a > > > > couple of months have gone by and we know what should be > > > > done about Emacs 22.2. Until then I want to avoid > > > > far-reaching changes in the trunk. Please stop making a > > > > fuss about a couple of months. > > > > > > > > However, it is ok to add new features which are not so > > > > far-reaching in their effects on the code. Even the > > > > multi-tty branch could be merged in (once we decide what > > > > to do about the environment). > > > > > > This development model would undoubtedly achieve the goal of being > > > able to make a high quality 22.2 release. > > > > Undoubtedly? Richard is talking about the trunk, you are > > talking about 22.2 which is to be done off EMACS_22_BASE. So I > > don't see the two areas actually related, _unless_ one plans to > > _scrap_ EMACS_22_BASE and basically copy trunk over it. Which > > nobody has proposed, and which I'd consider an even worse idea > > than quite a few others I have blown my top over. > > Your attitude is completely puzzling to me. I made a concrete, > constructive proposal to RMS to try to move things in the direction > that you seem to want too. Instead of waiting for his reply (as I > politely asked) Since Richard _has_ already declared the trunk open for new development, there is no point in asking him to declare the trunk open for new development _again_. There is also no point in waiting for him to do so _unless_ you are of the opinion that he changed his mind about that. > and try to have a constructive discussion after that, you chose to > be destructive and nitpick my proposal. There is simply no point in proposing things (or rather wordings) that have already been agreed upon. The differences here are about what it _means_ to have the trunk open for new development. It _is_ already declared so by Richard. > Sorry, but I think that a discussion along the lines you started is > not going to get anywhere, so I'll stop here. I also see that the discussion along the lines I started (namely that among the three unicode-2, trunk, EMACS_22_BASE there clearly is one too many for sensible development focused on a 22.2 and a 23.1 release) is not going anywhere. But discussing some other problem which we have tackled already does not seem like a useful alternative. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum