From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Noam Postavsky Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#39557: 27.0.60; Elisp manual, doc about bignums Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:23:43 -0500 Message-ID: <85ftfexs5s.fsf@gmail.com> References: <3d420026-bb32-413f-9a9c-304240aa82e2@default> <8336bhrrb4.fsf@gnu.org> <85sgjgyeya.fsf@gmail.com> <7f19329d-6d7e-40e1-9c5c-ef6b58e25a62@default> <85imkbyf88.fsf@gmail.com> <5fe049c8-18b5-4941-9e34-c320500f49d2@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="115253"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (windows-nt) Cc: 39557@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 13 19:34:13 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j2JJU-000TrD-Ne for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2020 19:34:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57850 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j2JJT-0007c1-LO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:34:11 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53738) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j2J9f-0002Fe-DU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:24:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j2J9e-0004f1-7D for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:24:03 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:54450) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j2J9e-0004eM-1k for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:24:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j2J9d-0005zF-TE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:24:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Noam Postavsky Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 18:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39557 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 39557-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39557.158161823122996 (code B ref 39557); Thu, 13 Feb 2020 18:24:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 39557) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2020 18:23:51 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60423 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j2J9S-0005yq-Sd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:23:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qk1-f181.google.com ([209.85.222.181]:45983) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j2J9Q-0005yb-U1 for 39557@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Feb 2020 13:23:49 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-qk1-f181.google.com with SMTP id a2so6583833qko.12 for <39557@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:23:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=n6+4gDgRHmLN3elv8ujcDI4HsZeUSfrjjADW/3SvTJ8=; b=nV6Hnr8VDrFKc+mHkQWkcliU6o0MTHltSqe8jBaqaED5DMffx9ggkWKpjFgjvNr9FM qfcfOum4lTY53LxRluI3tuCh1W4Mm4wk9y6XrzU67DFndikZ1Nc81GsUg196bY8OEVyL SBdLl/sHo6NF2lG/2REEl1dPEpKTpATkIFFQrtyOnZ3niwoJBZAkoO35LZnWVfj/g+R6 i8dUWKMKrDxjD0XcgNPZ6AJKjEclwPI9DFljGVuihvdSVqXAwJdVPsp1DCd5kC9igUm+ 7aP56v/dVRXUPwxXtZzwQDS/7ANt2cin88r81NsosDR10Sy+RfD9ARcqMsQ0xi5cvxlz UHFA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=n6+4gDgRHmLN3elv8ujcDI4HsZeUSfrjjADW/3SvTJ8=; b=edXnJ5Wt4EGU6abPxeDaU05f9EFQ1sZcNR82o/yHFmiS5cWYoHGMor5hi50C2O1Z6t 2b49JcfN8JjyoJMEPoaF+CpBMZNhcWrmtnyh7LfxHPhDg8U3KaFXCFNaT161gtRKJ7WU Ipo3ee+d6lE9wj0vN7nO49ZcKWkjiUPTtf80ueL+K2Xmp1JV0RO4oLWC72FUiA023v5d uldeauZZXJ4kNqN51cQyWtU03PaWIXY80ORuUNVn3So6ymm4rPjHh0kdUsM5WJ1LnnW/ ztzTGF+N0S1wH7gySyhKBXKXEiSVnd6l/WGTP1ugXz8o4Ifhe86HX1I9OO9xsH/ILZ3g MjHw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW7IK9MTNCP34fmAoPBCc1CzZ+bevZ6O7/SsLFPzxziBYcNAwiU itTnBBoKAMk08dMRlUpHFPAYcalwQ6k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyWFUQiWRXcEsMfXXMDbGUimBa8uhzV3oE1ACUY8PLXCooEPq5ELh+eee6FPPrEj7IfUdVHGQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:2011:: with SMTP id c17mr392811qka.447.1581618223183; Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:23:43 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from vhost2 (CPE001143542e1f-CMf81d0f809fa0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com. [99.230.38.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x28sm1680991qkx.104.2020.02.13.10.23.41 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 13 Feb 2020 10:23:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5fe049c8-18b5-4941-9e34-c320500f49d2@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 12 Feb 2020 13:36:20 -0800 (PST)") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:176003 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > There's nothing the least bit sarcastic in any of that. [...] > avoid attributing malevolence when a simple, constructive reading will > do. The golden rule implies offering the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, I didn't intend to attribute malevolence; you wondered how I read sarcasm (which, even if it might not be the best technique for communication, isn't the same as ill-intent) in your message, so I explained. > Actually, I was just expressing my surprise, > as Eli usually shepherds new doc sufficiently > well that such things don't happen. And I > mean that sincerely, as a compliment. Although I do believe you meant it that way, I still struggle to read this as a compliment, even with the added explanation. > to the technical content - the problem > reported? Any thoughts on that? The idea is recommend using eql for comparing integers first, and move the description of eq and fixnum/bignum distinction to the next paragraph, right? And also to document when the reader returns fixnums or bignums. Though I guess that might instead be solved by making the rule you cited stronger to something like: Emacs always represents integers in fixnum range as a fixnum, not a bignum. (Assuming that's true, which I believe it is)