From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22561: 25.0.90; dired alphabetic sort of listing handles leading '.' strangely on MS Windows Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 07:32:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <85fd8a74-1a38-441c-b0fe-5499351a5753@default> References: <<56B3E874.5000601@verizon.net>> <<83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1454686404 12005 80.91.229.3 (5 Feb 2016 15:33:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:33:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22561@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Kevin Gallagher Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 05 16:33:11 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiNj-0000u8-6g for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 16:33:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48917 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiNi-00023P-88 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:33:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53702) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiNe-000236-AL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:33:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiNa-00038u-IW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:33:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:54191) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiNa-00038q-Ed for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:33:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiNa-0006fm-7p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:33:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22561 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 22561-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22561.145468634225596 (code B ref 22561); Fri, 05 Feb 2016 15:33:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22561) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2016 15:32:22 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34547 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiMw-0006el-07 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:32:22 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:17453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aRiMu-0006eY-IZ for 22561@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 05 Feb 2016 10:32:20 -0500 Original-Received: from aserv0021.oracle.com (aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u15FWCPW010956 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:32:13 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u15FWC5D016396 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:32:12 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0015.oracle.com (abhmp0015.oracle.com [141.146.116.21]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id u15FWAvM005477; Fri, 5 Feb 2016 15:32:11 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83zivfvd93.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: aserv0021.oracle.com [141.146.126.233] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112493 Archived-At: > > I believe the listing in Emacs 24.5 is preferable. It 25.0.90, it is as= if > > the initial period in any file/directory entry is > > being ignored when sorting alphabetically. Also, upper and lower case a= re > > also being ignored. >=20 > It's a new feature, meant to emulate more closely what Emacs and 'ls' > do on GNU/Linux. From NEWS: >=20 > *** The ls-lisp package uses `string-collate-lessp' to sort file names. > If you want the old, locale-independent sorting, customize the new > option `ls-lisp-use-string-collate' to a nil value. >=20 > OK to close this bug? Why was the default behavior changed? Why not let Windows _users_ choose to sort in this new way? If, after several years of that, users are clamouring for the default behavior to change, emacs-devel can discuss that possibility and perhaps change to using `string-collate-lessp' by default. It should be: If you want the new, locale-dependent sorting, customize the new option `ls-lisp-use-string-collate' to a non-nil value.