From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs unconditionally loads tramp.el Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:40:54 +0200 Message-ID: <85ejzg2h7d.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87r73n5o5x.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com> <87hd4ewcj0.fsf@gmx.de> <87odyltqof.fsf@gmx.de> <87k698l5ww.fsf@gmx.de> <87slnwjktb.fsf@gmx.de> <874q0cjiz5.fsf@gmx.de> <87u08c9khw.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1146348010 29347 80.91.229.2 (29 Apr 2006 22:00:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2006 22:00:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Michael Albinus , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 30 00:00:09 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZxTx-0005t0-6L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Apr 2006 00:00:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZxTw-0001Dy-Ph for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:00:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FZxTI-00012E-O2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:59:24 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1FZxTI-00011q-7v for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:59:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1FZxTI-00011n-1g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:59:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FZxWj-00013p-SK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 18:02:57 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1FZxTE-0005Fl-Ed; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 17:59:23 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id BCEE61C4CD64; Sat, 29 Apr 2006 23:40:54 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: Miles Bader In-Reply-To: <87u08c9khw.fsf@catnip.gol.com> (Miles Bader's message of "Sun, 30 Apr 2006 05:47:55 +0900") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:53619 Archived-At: Miles Bader writes: > Michael Albinus writes: >> Maybe that was the wrong question. Tramp will be known better when it >> is shipped with Emacs 22. So you should ask around who's using >> ange-ftp, _this_ are potential Tramp users. > > In my experience tramp is _much_ slower than even ange-ftp (in all > ways, but especially establishing connections). I think this > severely limits its utility for general use, and potential audience. The thing I find annoying is how slow it is for establishing a local connection, like with /su::/etc/fstab. Should be instantaneously, really. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum