From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: --with-gtk as default? Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:21:46 +0100 Message-ID: <85d53vgs1x.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <85wt23idxi.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85649ni9h8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <17892.41562.272591.53294@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <85hct7gsf3.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1172614937 18725 80.91.229.12 (27 Feb 2007 22:22:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:22:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nick Roberts Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 27 23:22:10 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HMAi1-0002mb-9S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:22:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMAi1-00029L-7t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:22:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HMAho-000279-Up for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:21:56 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HMAhm-00026Z-IQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:21:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMAhm-00026S-DI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:21:54 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-10.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.50]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1HMAhi-0007kC-Of; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 17:21:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.13]) by mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9815A2D59F3; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:21:47 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (mail-in-07.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.47]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89FDDEF7CD; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:21:47 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-055-100.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.55.100]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE05292B6E; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:21:47 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 1973A1D17415; Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:21:46 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <85hct7gsf3.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Tue\, 27 Feb 2007 23\:13\:52 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:66964 Archived-At: David Kastrup writes: > Nick Roberts writes: > >> > > I don't have an opinion about this, but if we eventually do >> > > make this the default, please exclude Cygwin from the >> > > platforms that build with GTK+ by default, because as Jan >> > > discovered, the Cygwin build is currently incompatible with >> > > GTK+. >> > >> > Cygwin is basically an X11 build? >> >> I guess the various distributions will build Emacs with GTK, anyway. > > The evidence is against you here. There are already emacs-snapshot > packages for Debian GNU/Linux and derivatives, and to get a version > for GTK+ you _explicitly_ have to install emacs-snapshot-gtk. > Otherwise you will get the Athena widget version. > > I don't see where you get the conviction that things will change with > the release of Emacs 22 _unless_ we express our "upstream" intent to > have GTK+ preferred over Athena in a default installation by, well, > making it the default installation. Of course, only when we can reasonably expect it to work which would appear to exclude the Cygwin environment Eli mentioned. Mainly because I am nosy I'd still be interested in knowing whether that is basically an X11 environment, or possibly just the Gtk+ widget set without using the underlying X server infrastructure probably provided by Cygwin. Eli? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum