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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Phil Sung <psung@MIT.EDU>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: guided tour suggestions
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 07:45:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85d4zi6jdo.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87645ai4cl.fsf@phil.mit.edu> (Phil Sung's message of "Tue\, 26 Jun 2007 21\:16\:42 -0400")

Phil Sung <psung@MIT.EDU> writes:

> Previous suggestions which were made:
>
> * Mention help features earlier
>
>   I now mention the manual close to the beginning, and function documentation
>   right after the section on editing commands.
>
> * Emphasize Emacs as a coding environment
>
>   There are now screenshots of GDB, compile, grep, and shell, and further
>   information about what programming major modes can do.
>
> Again, the draft is at:
> <http://stuff.mit.edu/iap/emacs/emacs-guided-tour-1.html>
>
> If no one objects, I will ask the webmasters to replace the version
> on gnu.org with this soon.

I just took a look at it: Ugh!  This is supposed to _advertise_ Emacs,
and I have enough of a fight convincing people that Emacs has made the
step into the twenty-first century.  The guided tour is completely
unsuitable for that.  It shows an Emacs a) compiled without a modern
toolkit (Gtk+, Windows or Mac) b) without menus c) without toolbars d)
without scrollbars (for heaven's sake!)  e) without font diversity.
The only thing hinting at fonts is a man-page (not info or even
woman-page!)  with some bold headings, and then those headings have
the identical crowded monospace size as the rest.  f) without file
dialogs g) without tooltips h) without any non-ASCII character

The only exception to this theme is a screenshot of a Tetris game,
quite irrelevant.

Would it be possible to make the screenshots with emacs -Q so that
people see what they get out of the box instead of after an
Emacs-18-tty-happy user has finished refurbishing Emacs 22 to a
Zen-like emptiness?

It is, after all, Emacs 22 we are trying to sell to the unwashed
masses.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-27  5:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-03 18:03 guided tour suggestions Karl Berry
2007-05-03 20:34 ` Phil Sung
2007-06-02 20:52   ` Chong Yidong
2007-06-02 21:04     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-02 22:08     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-03  8:23       ` Mathias Dahl
2007-06-03 15:32       ` David House
2007-06-11 20:01     ` Phil Sung
2007-06-11 20:19       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-27  1:16         ` Phil Sung
2007-06-27  4:28           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-27  5:45           ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-06-27  6:04             ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-27  7:37               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-28  7:02             ` Phil Sung
2007-06-28  7:20               ` David Kastrup
2007-06-28  9:54                 ` David House
2007-06-28 10:25                   ` David Kastrup
2007-08-09  7:15                 ` Phil Sung
2007-08-09  7:36                   ` David Kastrup
2007-08-13  8:09                     ` Phil Sung
2007-06-28  8:20               ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-28  8:36                 ` David Kastrup
2007-06-29 16:41               ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-30  1:16               ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-30 10:03                 ` David House
2007-07-22 10:59                   ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-05-03 22:30 ` David Koppelman
2007-05-03 22:41   ` Daniel Brockman
2007-05-04  5:09 ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-05-04  7:32   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-05-05 14:39 ` Randal L. Schwartz

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