From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Put hide-ifdef on menu-bar? Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:27:25 +0100 Message-ID: <85d4sdddn6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <18303.12050.877970.348893@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <200801050914.m059E68s012506@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <477F5695.5000607@gmx.at> <200801060108.m0618fq3014424@oogie-boogie.ics.uci.edu> <18305.17988.586928.131214@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199708803 16634 80.91.229.12 (7 Jan 2008 12:26:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:26:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tom Tromey , rudalics@gmx.at, nickrob@snap.net.nz, dann@ics.uci.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 07 13:27:03 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBr4I-0001j1-OR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:27:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBr3v-0001Ju-Pf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 07:26:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBr3s-0001Jp-HH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 07:26:36 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBr3q-0001Jd-EH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 07:26:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBr3q-0001Ja-AK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 07:26:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.45]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBr3m-0004EO-9O; Mon, 07 Jan 2008 07:26:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-19-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-19-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.36]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 111C7183A2D; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:26:28 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-12.arcor-online.net (mail-in-12.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.52]) by mail-in-19-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035366BD49; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:26:28 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-007-060.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.7.60]) by mail-in-12.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20B68C46F; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:26:22 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id E34FF1CCF8D9; Mon, 7 Jan 2008 13:27:25 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 07 Jan 2008 06:31:51 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5412/Mon Jan 7 11:12:34 2008 on mail-in-12.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86467 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Also, Eclipse allows fringe elements which do not scroll with the > window contents. This turns out to be pretty handy. > > I do not understand what that means. > > For instance you could show the user the visible area of the current > buffer (relative to the size of the whole buffer) as a different > background color. > > That sounds like a scroll bar. We have scroll bars. But the scroll bar area can't have error markers. > In Eclipse you can see little blocks in the right-hand fringe > which represent errors, problems, etc, and you can click them to > jump to the corresponding point. > > I do not understand why you want these not to scroll with the text > they apply to. Because then they would be off-screen most of the time. The idea is to have all errors in the current buffer visibly indicated and quickly reachable. By distributing them in a scroll-bar like area corresponding to the whole buffer, that becomes possible. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum