From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why Emacs needs a modern bug tracker Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:13:08 +0100 Message-ID: <85bq7zjjgb.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20080104164454.0A4BD830697@snark.thyrsus.com> <20080105182456.GR30869@thyrsus.com> <20080105214810.GZ30869@thyrsus.com> <20080105233923.GH30869@thyrsus.com> <18304.10442.537860.246188@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <87k5mnoge1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <18304.21595.549190.232362@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199617964 20302 80.91.229.12 (6 Jan 2008 11:12:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 11:12:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, esr@snark.thyrsus.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Miles Bader To: Nick Roberts Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 06 12:13:05 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JBTRA-0001Ok-3C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:13:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBTQl-0006Mp-Qm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:12:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBTQh-0006Jw-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:12:35 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JBTQc-00069t-5e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:12:35 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JBTQc-00069q-2a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:12:30 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-12.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.52]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JBTQM-0002aZ-Gb; Sun, 06 Jan 2008 06:12:16 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.16]) by mail-in-12.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2978C4C4E7; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:12:04 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-08.arcor-online.net (mail-in-08.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.48]) by mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C88ABC7E; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:12:04 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-036-135.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.36.135]) by mail-in-08.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E33DA2BB6EB; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:12:03 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 6C8B31CCF7AE; Sun, 6 Jan 2008 12:13:08 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <18304.21595.549190.232362@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Sun, 6 Jan 2008 17:08:59 +1300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/5385/Sun Jan 6 02:13:06 2008 on mail-in-08.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:86317 Archived-At: Nick Roberts writes: > > Perhaps it's improved recently, but the last time I used the savannah > > bug tracker it was completely awful, and seemed to have no email > > support other than sending bug status changes and the like. > > Yes it looks like Bugzilla is far superior. I know that this has also been > suggested before, and I'm trying not to go round in circles, but I notice now > that GCC use their mailing list gcc-bugs for their Bugzilla bug-tracking > system. If we set Emacs up similarly, then presumably Richard (and others) > could use e-mail as before, while those that want to could submit bug reports > through Bugzilla. If Savannah's bug report system is completely awful and Bugzilla is far superior, then this would seem like something that would warrant changing Savannah policies or options instead of just special-casing Emacs. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum