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* make bootsrap problems
@ 2008-05-27  9:56 ` Michael Kifer
  2008-05-27 10:44   ` David Kastrup
  2008-05-29 23:25   ` bug#323: marked as done (make bootsrap problems) Emacs bug Tracking System
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Michael Kifer @ 2008-05-27  9:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-pretest-bug

In the latest cvs version under Ubuntu 8.04, I am getting:

make maintainer-clean
configure
make bootstrap

...

echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\" >> temp.sed
exclude=`echo /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-opt.el /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp.el /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/subr.el /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/progmodes/cc-mode.el /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/progmodes/cc-vars.el | sed -e 's, ,\\\\|,g' -e 's,\/,\\\\/,g'`; \
	ls /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/*.elc /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/*/*.elc | sed -e "/$exclude/d" -e "s|^/home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp|	\$(lisp)|" -e 's/$/ \\\\\\/' -e '$ s/ \\\\//' >> temp.sed
echo "" >> temp.sed
sed -f temp.sed /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in > temp-elcfiles || rm temp-elcfiles
sed: file temp.sed line 3: unknown command: `('
rm temp.sed
chmod +w /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in
mv -f temp-elcfiles /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in || echo "Maintainer warning: failed to update Makefile.in"
mv: cannot stat `temp-elcfiles': No such file or directory
Maintainer warning: failed to update Makefile.in





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* Re: make bootsrap problems
  2008-05-27  9:56 ` make bootsrap problems Michael Kifer
@ 2008-05-27 10:44   ` David Kastrup
  2008-05-27 13:36     ` Espen Wiborg
  2008-05-29 23:25   ` bug#323: marked as done (make bootsrap problems) Emacs bug Tracking System
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: David Kastrup @ 2008-05-27 10:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: kifer; +Cc: emacs-pretest-bug

Michael Kifer <kifer@cs.sunysb.edu> writes:

> In the latest cvs version under Ubuntu 8.04, I am getting:
>
> make maintainer-clean
> configure
> make bootstrap
>
> ...
>
> echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\" >> temp.sed
> exclude=`echo /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-opt.el /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp.el /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/subr.el /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/progmodes/cc-mode.el /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/progmodes/cc-vars.el | sed -e 's, ,\\\\|,g' -e 's,\/,\\\\/,g'`; \
> 	ls /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/*.elc /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/*/*.elc | sed -e "/$exclude/d" -e "s|^/home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp|	\$(lisp)|" -e 's/$/ \\\\\\/' -e '$ s/ \\\\//' >> temp.sed
> echo "" >> temp.sed
> sed -f temp.sed /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in > temp-elcfiles || rm temp-elcfiles
> sed: file temp.sed line 3: unknown command: `('
> rm temp.sed
> chmod +w /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in
> mv -f temp-elcfiles /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in || echo "Maintainer warning: failed to update Makefile.in"
> mv: cannot stat `temp-elcfiles': No such file or directory
> Maintainer warning: failed to update Makefile.in

Me too.  The culprit would likely be

## Construct a sed command file that operates on lines between
## ^ELCFILES and the next blank line.  Convert spaces between members
## of COMPILE_FIRST to "\|", and escape directory "/".  List the .elc
## files, exclude the members of COMPILE_FIRST, convert ^$(lisp) to a
## literal " $(lisp)", add trailing " \\\" to the end of every line
## (the last \ continues the line in sed, the other \\ result in a
## single \ at the end of the replacement text).  For the last line,
## just use a single "\", for sed.  Finally, run sed using the command
## so constructed and update Makefile.in.  chmod +w is for CVSREAD=1.
## Errors in final sed are non-fatal, since they have no effect on
## building Emacs.
update-elclist:
	echo "/^ELCFILES/,/^$$/c\\" > temp.sed
	echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\" >> temp.sed
	exclude=`echo $(COMPILE_FIRST) | sed -e 's, ,\\\\|,g' -e 's,\/,\\\\/,g'`; \
	ls $(lisp)/*.elc $(lisp)/*/*.elc | sed -e "/$$exclude/d" -e "s|^$(lisp)|	\$$(lisp)|" -e 's/$$/ \\\\\\/' -e '$$ s/ \\\\//' >> temp.sed
	echo "" >> temp.sed
	-sed -f temp.sed $(lisp)/Makefile.in > temp-elcfiles || rm temp-elcfiles
	rm temp.sed
	chmod +w $(lisp)/Makefile.in
	mv -f temp-elcfiles $(lisp)/Makefile.in || echo "Maintainer warning: failed to update Makefile.in"


in lisp/Makefile.in.  In particular, "Finally, run sed using the command
so constructed and update Makefile.in." since the preceding recipe does
not actually construct a command, but just a part of it.

I am not sure what the real intent here is.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum




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* Re: make bootsrap problems
  2008-05-27 10:44   ` David Kastrup
@ 2008-05-27 13:36     ` Espen Wiborg
  2008-05-27 19:29       ` Glenn Morris
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Espen Wiborg @ 2008-05-27 13:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: David Kastrup; +Cc: emacs-pretest-bug, kifer

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
> Michael Kifer <kifer@cs.sunysb.edu> writes:
>> In the latest cvs version under Ubuntu 8.04, I am getting:
>>
>> make maintainer-clean
>> configure
>> make bootstrap
>>
<-snip->
>> sed -f temp.sed /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in > temp-elcfiles || rm temp-elcfiles
>> sed: file temp.sed line 3: unknown command: `('
>> rm temp.sed
>> chmod +w /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in
>> mv -f temp-elcfiles /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in || echo "Maintainer warning: failed to update Makefile.in"
>> mv: cannot stat `temp-elcfiles': No such file or directory
>> Maintainer warning: failed to update Makefile.in
>
> Me too.  The culprit would likely be
>
> ## Construct a sed command file that operates on lines between
> ## ^ELCFILES and the next blank line.  Convert spaces between members
> ## of COMPILE_FIRST to "\|", and escape directory "/".  List the .elc
> ## files, exclude the members of COMPILE_FIRST, convert ^$(lisp) to a
> ## literal " $(lisp)", add trailing " \\\" to the end of every line
> ## (the last \ continues the line in sed, the other \\ result in a
> ## single \ at the end of the replacement text).  For the last line,
> ## just use a single "\", for sed.  Finally, run sed using the command
> ## so constructed and update Makefile.in.  chmod +w is for CVSREAD=1.
> ## Errors in final sed are non-fatal, since they have no effect on
> ## building Emacs.
> update-elclist:
<-snip->
>
> in lisp/Makefile.in.  In particular, "Finally, run sed using the command
> so constructed and update Makefile.in." since the preceding recipe does
> not actually construct a command, but just a part of it.

The problem is that the generated sed script is missing a line
continuation backslash.

The following patch fixes:

Index: lisp/Makefile.in
===================================================================
RCS file: /cvsroot/emacs/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in,v
retrieving revision 1.123
diff -c -r1.123 Makefile.in
*** lisp/Makefile.in	27 May 2008 02:14:46 -0000	1.123
--- lisp/Makefile.in	27 May 2008 13:21:27 -0000
***************
*** 164,170 ****
  ## building Emacs.
  update-elclist:
  	echo "/^ELCFILES/,/^$$/c\\" > temp.sed
! 	echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\" >> temp.sed
  	exclude=`echo $(COMPILE_FIRST) | sed -e 's, ,\\\\|,g' -e 's,\/,\\\\/,g'`; \
  	ls $(lisp)/*.elc $(lisp)/*/*.elc | sed -e "/$$exclude/d" -e "s|^$(lisp)|	\$$(lisp)|" -e 's/$$/ \\\\\\/' -e '$$ s/ \\\\//' >> temp.sed
  	echo "" >> temp.sed
--- 164,170 ----
  ## building Emacs.
  update-elclist:
  	echo "/^ELCFILES/,/^$$/c\\" > temp.sed
! 	echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\\\\\" >> temp.sed
  	exclude=`echo $(COMPILE_FIRST) | sed -e 's, ,\\\\|,g' -e 's,\/,\\\\/,g'`; \
  	ls $(lisp)/*.elc $(lisp)/*/*.elc | sed -e "/$$exclude/d" -e "s|^$(lisp)|	\$$(lisp)|" -e 's/$$/ \\\\\\/' -e '$$ s/ \\\\//' >> temp.sed
  	echo "" >> temp.sed


-- 
Espen Wiborg <espenhw@grumblesmurf.org>
Thermodynamics in a nutshell:
1st Law:  You can't win.  (Energy is conserved)
2nd Law:  You can't break even.  (Entropy)
0th Law:  You can't even quit the game.  (Closed systems) -- Taki Kogoma




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* Re: make bootsrap problems
  2008-05-27 13:36     ` Espen Wiborg
@ 2008-05-27 19:29       ` Glenn Morris
  2008-05-28  0:44         ` Glenn Morris
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2008-05-27 19:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Espen Wiborg; +Cc: emacs-pretest-bug, kifer

Espen Wiborg wrote:

> The problem is that the generated sed script is missing a line
> continuation backslash.

It works for me on several varieties of RHEL, and on Debian testing.

> The following patch fixes:

Not for me. Applying this patch, my generated Makefile.in ends up
containing:

ELCFILES = \\
         $(lisp)/abbrev.elc \

rather than

ELCFILES = \
         $(lisp)/abbrev.elc \

I guess it's something to do with sed and/or /bin/sh versions.

(It's not vital that this command work for everyone, though of course
that is what I would like.)


> Index: lisp/Makefile.in
> ===================================================================
> RCS file: /cvsroot/emacs/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in,v
> retrieving revision 1.123
> diff -c -r1.123 Makefile.in
> *** lisp/Makefile.in	27 May 2008 02:14:46 -0000	1.123
> --- lisp/Makefile.in	27 May 2008 13:21:27 -0000
> ***************
> *** 164,170 ****
>   ## building Emacs.
>   update-elclist:
>   	echo "/^ELCFILES/,/^$$/c\\" > temp.sed
> ! 	echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\" >> temp.sed
>   	exclude=`echo $(COMPILE_FIRST) | sed -e 's, ,\\\\|,g' -e 's,\/,\\\\/,g'`; \
>   	ls $(lisp)/*.elc $(lisp)/*/*.elc | sed -e "/$$exclude/d" -e "s|^$(lisp)|	\$$(lisp)|" -e 's/$$/ \\\\\\/' -e '$$ s/ \\\\//' >> temp.sed
>   	echo "" >> temp.sed
> --- 164,170 ----
>   ## building Emacs.
>   update-elclist:
>   	echo "/^ELCFILES/,/^$$/c\\" > temp.sed
> ! 	echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\\\\\" >> temp.sed
>   	exclude=`echo $(COMPILE_FIRST) | sed -e 's, ,\\\\|,g' -e 's,\/,\\\\/,g'`; \
>   	ls $(lisp)/*.elc $(lisp)/*/*.elc | sed -e "/$$exclude/d" -e "s|^$(lisp)|	\$$(lisp)|" -e 's/$$/ \\\\\\/' -e '$$ s/ \\\\//' >> temp.sed
>   	echo "" >> temp.sed
>


> Thermodynamics in a nutshell:
> 1st Law:  You can't win.  (Energy is conserved)
> 2nd Law:  You can't break even.  (Entropy)
> 0th Law:  You can't even quit the game.  (Closed systems) -- Taki Kogoma

I thought that was C.P. Snow.




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* Re: make bootsrap problems
  2008-05-27 19:29       ` Glenn Morris
@ 2008-05-28  0:44         ` Glenn Morris
  2008-05-28  1:04           ` Glenn Morris
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2008-05-28  0:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Espen Wiborg; +Cc: emacs-pretest-bug, kifer


I think I see what's going on now. I'm guessing you have /bin/sh
pointing to zsh. zsh's echo behaves differently from bash's with
regards to these backslash escapes:

bash> echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\"   ->    ELCFILES = \\\
zsh>  echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\"   ->    ELCFILES = \\

Hmph.




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* Re: make bootsrap problems
  2008-05-28  0:44         ` Glenn Morris
@ 2008-05-28  1:04           ` Glenn Morris
  2008-05-28  7:08             ` Espen Wiborg
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2008-05-28  1:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Espen Wiborg; +Cc: emacs-pretest-bug, kifer

Glenn Morris wrote:

> I think I see what's going on now. I'm guessing you have /bin/sh
> pointing to zsh. zsh's echo behaves differently from bash's with
> regards to these backslash escapes:
>
> bash> echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\"   ->    ELCFILES = \\\
> zsh>  echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\"   ->    ELCFILES = \\

The following ought to work for everyone. Blech.

(Yes, I know I should be using printf rather than echo, but it isn't
used anywhere else in the Emacs Makefiles, so I don't know if I'm
allowed to.)


*** Makefile.in	27 May 2008 02:14:46 -0000	1.123
--- Makefile.in	28 May 2008 00:52:31 -0000
***************
*** 164,170 ****
  ## building Emacs.
  update-elclist:
  	echo "/^ELCFILES/,/^$$/c\\" > temp.sed
! 	echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\" >> temp.sed
  	exclude=`echo $(COMPILE_FIRST) | sed -e 's, ,\\\\|,g' -e 's,\/,\\\\/,g'`; \
  	ls $(lisp)/*.elc $(lisp)/*/*.elc | sed -e "/$$exclude/d" -e "s|^$(lisp)|	\$$(lisp)|" -e 's/$$/ \\\\\\/' -e '$$ s/ \\\\//' >> temp.sed
  	echo "" >> temp.sed
--- 164,170 ----
  ## building Emacs.
  update-elclist:
  	echo "/^ELCFILES/,/^$$/c\\" > temp.sed
! 	echo "ELCFILES =" | sed -e 's/$$/ \\\\\\/' >> temp.sed
  	exclude=`echo $(COMPILE_FIRST) | sed -e 's, ,\\\\|,g' -e 's,\/,\\\\/,g'`; \
  	ls $(lisp)/*.elc $(lisp)/*/*.elc | sed -e "/$$exclude/d" -e "s|^$(lisp)|	\$$(lisp)|" -e 's/$$/ \\\\\\/' -e '$$ s/ \\\\//' >> temp.sed
  	echo "" >> temp.sed




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* Re: make bootsrap problems
  2008-05-28  1:04           ` Glenn Morris
@ 2008-05-28  7:08             ` Espen Wiborg
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Espen Wiborg @ 2008-05-28  7:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Glenn Morris; +Cc: emacs-pretest-bug, kifer

Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> writes:
> Glenn Morris wrote:
>> I think I see what's going on now. I'm guessing you have /bin/sh
>> pointing to zsh. zsh's echo behaves differently from bash's with
>> regards to these backslash escapes:
>>
>> bash> echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\"   ->    ELCFILES = \\\
>> zsh>  echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\"   ->    ELCFILES = \\

espenhw@demokritos:~/src/emacs$ ls -l /bin/sh
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-02-01 13:34 /bin/sh -> dash*
espenhw@demokritos:~/src/emacs$ dash
$ echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\"
ELCFILES = \\

So yes, the shell difference is the problem. 

>
> The following ought to work for everyone. Blech.
>
> (Yes, I know I should be using printf rather than echo, but it isn't
> used anywhere else in the Emacs Makefiles, so I don't know if I'm
> allowed to.)

I can confirm that this works for me.

-- 
Espen Wiborg <espenhw@grumblesmurf.org>
Meus Navis Aerius est Plena Anguillarum




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* Re: make bootsrap problems
@ 2008-05-28  7:57 Angelo Graziosi
  2008-05-28  8:02 ` Glenn Morris
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread
From: Angelo Graziosi @ 2008-05-28  7:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel; +Cc: rgm

Glenn Morris wrote:

 > I think I see what's going on now. I'm guessing you have /bin/sh
 > pointing to zsh. zsh's echo behaves differently from bash's with
 > regards to these backslash escapes:
 >
 > bash> echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\"   ->    ELCFILES = \\\
 > zsh>  echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\"   ->    ELCFILES = \\

I have GNU/Linux Kubuntu 8.04 and bash:

$ echo $SHELL
/bin/bash

Running the above command from Makefile (make update-elcfiles) prints, 
in temp.sed,

ELCFILES = \\

Instead, running from command line

ELCFILES = \\\


There is a bug somewhere. Perhaps, in 'Hardy' ?


Cheers,
    Angelo.




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* Re: make bootsrap problems
  2008-05-28  7:57 make bootsrap problems Angelo Graziosi
@ 2008-05-28  8:02 ` Glenn Morris
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2008-05-28  8:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Angelo Graziosi; +Cc: emacs-devel

Angelo Graziosi wrote:

> I have GNU/Linux Kubuntu 8.04 and bash:
>
> $ echo $SHELL
> /bin/bash

It doesn't matter what you have $SHELL set to, it matters what /bin/sh
really is (it seems to be dash on Ubuntu). Anyway, it should be
working now if you cvs update.




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* bug#323: marked as done (make bootsrap problems)
  2008-05-27  9:56 ` make bootsrap problems Michael Kifer
  2008-05-27 10:44   ` David Kastrup
@ 2008-05-29 23:25   ` Emacs bug Tracking System
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread
From: Emacs bug Tracking System @ 2008-05-29 23:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Glenn Morris

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From: Michael Kifer <kifer@cs.sunysb.edu>
To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org
Cc: 
Subject: make bootsrap problems
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 05:56:00 -0400
Message-ID: <20080527055600.04681853@cs.sunysb.edu>

In the latest cvs version under Ubuntu 8.04, I am getting:

make maintainer-clean
configure
make bootstrap

...

echo "ELCFILES = \\\\\\" >> temp.sed
exclude=`echo /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/emacs-lisp/byte-opt.el /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/emacs-lisp/bytecomp.el /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/subr.el /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/progmodes/cc-mode.el /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/progmodes/cc-vars.el | sed -e 's, ,\\\\|,g' -e 's,\/,\\\\/,g'`; \
	ls /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/*.elc /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/*/*.elc | sed -e "/$exclude/d" -e "s|^/home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp|	\$(lisp)|" -e 's/$/ \\\\\\/' -e '$ s/ \\\\//' >> temp.sed
echo "" >> temp.sed
sed -f temp.sed /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in > temp-elcfiles || rm temp-elcfiles
sed: file temp.sed line 3: unknown command: `('
rm temp.sed
chmod +w /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in
mv -f temp-elcfiles /home/users/kifer/gnu/emacs/lisp/Makefile.in || echo "Maintainer warning: failed to update Makefile.in"
mv: cannot stat `temp-elcfiles': No such file or directory
Maintainer warning: failed to update Makefile.in






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From: Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org>
To: 323-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com
Subject: Re: make bootsrap problems
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 19:15:29 -0400
Message-ID: <18495.14609.229383.543607@fencepost.gnu.org>


this has been fixed.


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