From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Copyright question Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:36:09 +0200 Message-ID: <85bq23og1i.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <82BFC2C8-9E38-491F-863D-1C420AB13882@uva.nl> <20080613095819.GB2618@muc.de> <20080614120324.GA4589@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1213479396 30519 80.91.229.12 (14 Jun 2008 21:36:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2008 21:36:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dominik@uva.nl, Richard M Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 14 23:37:18 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1K7dQw-0003gE-7X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:37:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46510 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K7dQ7-0003wk-TZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:36:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K7dQ3-0003wf-0b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:36:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1K7dQ0-0003wT-IW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:36:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56543 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1K7dQ0-0003wQ-E8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:36:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-16.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.56]:59705) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1K7dPv-0001dT-DZ; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 17:36:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.17]) by mail-in-16.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AA5B1F772E; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:36:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-12.arcor-online.net (mail-in-12.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.52]) by mail-in-05-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F8E2DAAD3; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:36:10 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-061-031.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.61.31]) by mail-in-12.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED308C464; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:36:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 792111C0C981; Sat, 14 Jun 2008 23:36:09 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <20080614120324.GA4589@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sat, 14 Jun 2008 12:03:25 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93/7407/Mon Jun 9 04:21:00 2008 on mail-in-12.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:99218 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > Nearly everybody agrees there are problems with the current GFDL. This list is not for discussing the GFDL. Like other projects, it is inherently a slowly moving target that gets improved over time. Whether one likes the GFDL or not or whether Debian likes it or not: that is not really a topic here. My beef is not with the GFDL per se, but rather that the _GPL_ demands to distribute a work as a whole under the GPL. And the increasing integration of the GFDL manuals (which is a convenient and useful thing) makes the definition of "whole work" increasingly arbitrary in a manner where we a) don't want to set a precedent for people integrating incompatibly licensed material with GPL software based on a weird "whole work" interpretation of Emacs b) don't want to turn the integration of documentation into a privileged operation not compatible with the "public" in "General Public License". The current distribution of Emacs with its incompatible GFDL/GPL combination strains the credulity of the GPL. And the more we integrate info manuals into the Emacs work and reference flow, the worse this gets. I certainly hope that this will get sorted out in the long run. A dual licensing of the technical manuals would certainly help. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum