From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:35:49 +0200 Message-ID: <85bq0p3y62.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <87ej5nxew2.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884DA4F.20203@gmail.com> <8763qzxcfd.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884E551.3050304@gmail.com> <86fxq2j1af.fsf@timbral.net> <4885977B.6090700@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216794980 25818 80.91.229.12 (23 Jul 2008 06:36:20 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 06:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ams@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 08:37:08 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLXyB-0003CO-Vv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:37:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48727 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLXxI-0006YO-HZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:36:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLXxE-0006Xo-7G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:36:04 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLXxA-0006WW-Og for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:36:03 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37801 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLXxA-0006WP-GY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:36:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-07.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.47]:43172) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLXx0-0005pK-NF; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:35:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.15]) by mail-in-07.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53ED124ADCF; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:35:49 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.46]) by mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C522D3CF9; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:35:49 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-027-097.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.27.97]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C4DB35E71E; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:35:49 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 4687C1C1346B; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:35:49 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:14:29 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7795/Wed Jul 23 04:45:05 2008 on mail-in-06.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101284 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> CC: jasonr@gnu.org, thorne@timbral.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Reply-to: ams@gnu.org >> From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" >> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:11:56 -0400 >> >> > I do think this idea presents a chicken and egg problem though - the >> > shell is needed by configure, but will not be available until it has >> > been built by a bootstrap. >> >> The shell could be built before running the configure. >> >> And how would that work for every other platform? > > We were not talking about every other platform, just about w32. Posix > platforms don't need to build a shell, they already have it. I recommend reading (info "(autoconf) Limitations of builtins") It would be marvellous if somebody managed to heed _all_ of the incompatibilities by chance first time round for non-trivial scripts. And that's just the shell: the autoconf setup requires quite a larger set of utilities. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum