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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: juri@jurta.org, wilde@sha-bang.de, cyd@stupidchicken.com,
	Leo <sdl.web@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance...
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 23:33:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85abrskhv7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1IVCO1-0000i7-RQ@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue\, 11 Sep 2007 16\:31\:05 -0400")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>     Experienced users don't use startup screen anyway. But we are trying to
>     make newbies happy.
>
> Not exactly.  We are trying to make sure newbies see some of this
> information, even if it makes them a little less happy.

The way to win people's heart is not by making them unhappy.

"Welcome! To learn about Emacs, press F1 C-a or use the Help/About menu."

Use an idle-timer to make sure that for the first 30 seconds of
idleness, regardless how Emacs has been started, this message is not
obscured for longer than 5 seconds (of course, unless the startup
screen _is_ actually being displayed which would be the default for an
Emacs started without command line options and not, say, loading a
desktop or doing other startup operations ending in a dedicated
buffer).

It may take weeks before the user visits the screen.  But when he
does, the important thing is that he does it because _he_ chooses to
do so.  So he'll be in a reasonably open frame of mind.

And we want him in a reasonably open frame of mind to teach him about
GNU.

The worst epithet used for some kind of obnoxiously advertising
software is "nagware".  We don't want to be grouped along with them if
we can avoid it at reasonable cost, and not permitting the user to see
the file he has explicitly specified to be seen is right in that
ballpark.  And "people will recognize that everything's different when
we do it because we are the good guys" never works.  Not in
government, not in software.

It does not matter whether we are the good guys or not: people will
hate us for it.  And that does not help our cause.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2007-09-11 21:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 295+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-09-09 13:56 New start up splash screen annoyance Sascha Wilde
2007-09-09 14:40 ` Leo
2007-09-09 17:32 ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-09 20:07 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 21:20   ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-09 23:52     ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 16:53       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 17:00         ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 18:19           ` Leo
2007-09-11 20:31             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 21:33               ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-09-11 22:59                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10 17:28         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 20:31           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11 20:57             ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12  2:48               ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Bill Wohler
2007-09-12  5:44                 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs David Kastrup
2007-09-12  5:57                   ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-12  7:06                     ` dhruva
2007-09-12  7:55                       ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13  9:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13 11:36                         ` Michael Albinus
2007-09-13  8:28                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-12  7:17                   ` Tramp (was: Folding emacsclient into emacs) Bill Wohler
2007-09-12  8:03                     ` Tramp David Kastrup
2007-09-12  8:17                     ` Tramp Michael Albinus
2007-09-12 20:20                   ` Folding emacsclient into emacs Tom Tromey
2007-09-12 20:48                     ` Leo
2007-09-13  6:10                     ` Jan Djärv
2007-09-12 11:17                 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 11:25                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 11:37                   ` David Kastrup
2007-09-12 15:08                   ` Folding emacsclient into emacs Bill Wohler
2007-09-12 15:15                   ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12 23:36                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 18:52                   ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Richard Stallman
2007-09-12 19:08                     ` Folding emacsclient into emacs David Kastrup
2007-09-13  7:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13  7:45                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13  7:51                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13  7:59                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13  8:54                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13  9:04                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-13 11:39                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-14  7:05                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14  8:22                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-15  2:09                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15  5:56                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-15 18:07                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-16  4:08                                 ` dhruva
2007-09-16  7:32                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-09-16 10:57                                     ` dhruva
2007-09-16 11:11                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-09-16 11:27                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-19 23:45                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20  0:56                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20  1:24                                       ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20  8:50                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20 10:12                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 18:34                                           ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-21 12:23                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-12 16:34                 ` Folding emacsclient into emacs (was: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Davis Herring
2007-09-12  7:02               ` New start up splash screen annoyance Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-12 14:07                 ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-12  9:39             ` Johannes Weiner
2007-09-12 12:36               ` Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-12 18:52               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-13  7:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13  8:21                   ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13  8:24                     ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13  8:55                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-13  8:36                   ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-13  8:55                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14  7:05                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14 11:12                   ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-14 18:54                   ` Romain Francoise
2007-09-13 23:43                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-14  6:13                   ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14 18:43                     ` Romain Francoise
2007-09-14 20:15                     ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-14 21:14                       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-14 21:38                         ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-15 14:48                         ` Michael Albinus
2007-09-15 21:23                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-16  5:34                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14  7:40                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-15  2:09                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15  8:04                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15  8:18                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-16  5:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-16  7:25                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-17  0:20                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17  5:55                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-17 22:24                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18  5:39                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18  9:30                                   ` Leo
2007-09-18 10:01                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 15:00                                   ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-18 15:34                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 16:51                                       ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-19  3:18                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19  5:45                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 16:33                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 13:52                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-19 14:10                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-19 16:33                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-18 20:02                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-18 22:17                                       ` Mathias Dahl
2007-09-18 19:34                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 21:01                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18 22:08                                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-19 15:49                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 23:46                                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-20  0:24                                           ` Leo
2007-09-21 12:23                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 11:16                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-20 14:17                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-20 15:30                                             ` dhruva
2007-09-20 15:39                                               ` Davis Herring
2007-09-20 15:52                                                 ` Bastien
2007-09-20 15:56                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 15:49                                             ` Bastien
2007-09-21 16:21                                               ` Bastien
2007-09-21 17:42                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-21 18:01                                                   ` Sean Sieger
2007-09-21 19:38                                                   ` Bastien
2007-09-21 17:46                                                 ` Davis Herring
2007-09-22 11:57                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 17:45                                           ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-20 18:35                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-20 19:12                                               ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 19:19                                                 ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 20:13                                                   ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 20:22                                                     ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-20 23:57                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-21  7:18                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-21 22:34                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-22 14:11                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 18:40                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 18:52                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-22 19:20                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-22 20:03                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 20:43                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-09-22 23:48                                                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-23  0:33                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23  5:39                                                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2007-09-23  7:43                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 15:05                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:20                                                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 18:19                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-24 22:08                                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 17:57                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:30                                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 18:40                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 18:59                                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 19:25                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 19:45                                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26  0:35                                                                                           ` Kenichi Handa
2007-09-26  1:54                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-26 14:01                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-26 14:05                                                                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-09-26 15:18                                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 21:56                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-26 15:10                                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 18:47                                                                                       ` Dan Nicolaescu
2007-09-25 19:08                                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 20:27                                                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 16:43                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 18:19                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 22:52                                                                               ` David Reitter
2007-09-24 18:19                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-24 18:37                                                                                   ` Davis Herring
2007-09-24 21:14                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 17:58                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:33                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25 18:38                                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2007-09-25 19:37                                                                                         ` David Reitter
2007-09-25 21:03                                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26  7:59                                                                                             ` David Reitter
2007-09-26 14:59                                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 16:03                                                                                                 ` David Reitter
2007-09-26 16:15                                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-09-26 16:10                                                                                                 ` echo area clicks: *Messages* David Reitter
2007-09-26 16:49                                                                                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 20:40                                                                                   ` New start up splash screen annoyance Robert J. Chassell
2007-09-25 17:57                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 18:18                                                                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-09-25  5:01                                                                                   ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-25 23:36                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 14:06                                                                           ` Didier Verna
2007-09-23 16:44                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 19:33                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-23 20:42                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24  1:16                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-24  2:00                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2007-09-23 20:16                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-24 16:59                                                                             ` Davis Herring
2007-09-24 21:25                                                                               ` Didier Verna
2007-09-23 15:05                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:25                                                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 16:43                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 15:46                                                                             ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-23 16:44                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2007-09-24 18:19                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-26  7:03                                                                           ` Didier Verna
2007-09-26 16:29                                                                             ` mode line [X] Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 13:46                                                                       ` New start up splash screen annoyance Didier Verna
2007-09-22 20:01                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23  4:24                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-23  7:50                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-23 11:22                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 22:33                                                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2007-09-24  6:03                                                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-24 18:19                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 15:05                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 19:00                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 18:42                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-22 20:07                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:15                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:54                                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-22 22:16                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 15:05                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 20:17                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-24 18:19                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23  9:07                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-20 20:23                                                     ` Sean O'Rourke
2007-09-20 19:28                                               ` Manoj Srivastava
2007-09-21 22:33                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-22 14:12                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23  9:07                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 11:22                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-23 21:55                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-23 23:55                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-25 10:44                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-25 20:28                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-21 17:37                                         ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-22 11:57                                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-19 14:59                                     ` Bill Wohler
2007-09-20 16:34                                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18  8:15                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-09-16  9:27                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2007-09-17 22:03                         ` Davis Herring
2007-09-17 22:43                           ` Drew Adams
2007-09-18  5:25                             ` David Kastrup
2007-09-18  5:43                               ` dhruva
2007-09-15 10:17                     ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-15 10:40                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-15 18:55                         ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-15 22:10                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-17  0:20                           ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-18 21:20                             ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-19 15:49                               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-15 18:57                         ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-16  4:41                         ` tomas
2007-09-16 20:15                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2007-09-16 22:12                             ` Mathias Megyei
2007-09-17  4:04                             ` tomas
2007-09-16  5:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-17 22:08                     ` Davis Herring
2007-09-13  7:52             ` Sascha Wilde
2007-09-13  8:03               ` David Kastrup
2007-09-14  7:05               ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-14  7:51                 ` Jason Rumney
2007-09-14  8:19                 ` David Kastrup
2007-09-10 16:53     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 19:09       ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 22:07         ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 23:10           ` Leo
2007-09-10 23:19             ` Chong Yidong
2007-09-10 23:24               ` Leo
2007-09-12  0:40           ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-14  8:11             ` Glenn Morris
2007-09-09 21:27   ` Jason Rumney
2007-09-09 21:44     ` Drew Adams
2007-09-10  1:13     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-09 23:48   ` Juri Linkov
2007-10-03 20:18   ` KingBolete
2007-10-04 17:27     ` Richard Stallman
2007-10-08  4:16       ` tomas
2007-10-08 19:16         ` Juri Linkov
2007-10-09 20:03           ` Richard Stallman
2007-11-10 21:27             ` Juri Linkov
2007-11-10 22:36               ` Pure space overflow in Emacs 22 (was: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance...) Sven Joachim
2007-11-10 22:43                 ` Pure space overflow in Emacs 22 Juri Linkov
2007-10-09  1:14         ` New start up splash screen annoyance Richard Stallman
2007-10-09  6:39           ` tomas
2007-10-26  5:21             ` tomas
2007-09-09 23:54 ` Juri Linkov
2007-09-10  2:33   ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-10  5:19     ` David Kastrup
2007-09-11 20:30       ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-10 23:55     ` Richard Stallman
2007-09-11  0:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2007-09-11  5:47         ` David Kastrup
2007-09-12  8:45         ` Richard Stallman

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