From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New start up splash screen annoyance... Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:25:05 +0200 Message-ID: <85abrn9ini.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87sl5n5yem.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87fy1nbe4f.fsf@jurta.org> <86myvu2zw1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <20070912093913.GB12104@saeurebad.de> <87wsuum8qw.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1189927538 31727 80.91.229.12 (16 Sep 2007 07:25:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2007 07:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 16 09:25:36 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1IWoVa-0007dd-O0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:25:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWoVZ-0002kW-MK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:25:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IWoVW-0002jM-58 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:25:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1IWoVT-0002iN-SG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:25:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1IWoVT-0002iI-LF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:25:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-09.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.49]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IWoVQ-0007HS-6Y; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 03:25:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.13]) by mail-in-09.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753E4303022; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:25:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (mail-in-10.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.50]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 663CD4B5; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:25:18 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-028-166.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.28.166]) by mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BFAC2351A2; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:25:09 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 91B371C0024C; Sun, 16 Sep 2007 09:25:06 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun\, 16 Sep 2007 01\:33\:32 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.2/4288/Sun Sep 16 07:22:35 2007 on mail-in-10.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Detected-Kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:79020 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > # grep foo /etc/apache/httpd.conf > > I find that that's what I'm looking for, and I type > > # emacs M-. > > That is something an advanced user will do occasionally. > Advanced users can easily turn off the splash screen. Advanced shell users are not automatically advanced Emacs users. > (I didn't know about the shell key M-. I expect to use it, > tho not for invoking Emacs.) > > There are nonetheless beginners who habitually run Emacs with a file > name argument, and would never see the splash screen if it only > appeared with no argument. The reason I made that change is that I > discovered this phenomenon. That's why I proposed announcing it with a message or tooltip that persists for a while but does not keep the user from actually working. Anyway, I think we have more to gain from educating the people who stick with Emacs (and thus will at one point of time get to see the splash screen) rather than the people who try it a few times and then give up in disgust. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum