From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, Sascha Wilde <wilde@sha-bang.de>,
lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org,
dann@ics.uci.edu, storm@cua.dk, acm@muc.de,
Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:00:41 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <85ablvftqe.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv4pc3h9l6.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Wed, 20 Feb 2008 11:52:32 -0500")
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
> Whenever I use "emacs -Q" or some similar "vanilla Emacs", the first
> thing that I'm urged to do is M-x transient-mark-mode (and it was
> already N°1 back when fotn-lock-mode wasn't the default).
>
> Of course, I'm sure I'd be able to learn to live without it. It seems
> like an option affect people *very* strongly, so those who want it
> *really* want it, and those who don't *really* don't.
That means that it has presumably some strong advantages and some strong
disadvantages. If they are not immediate consequences of one another,
the controversy might be better resolved by lessening the disadvantages
rather than having to choose.
> So, that's for my personal preference. As to why turn it on *by
> default*, here are some reasons why I think it should be ON by default:
> - Visual feedback about the mark's position and active status.
> I and all (X)Emacs users I know personally (i.e. off-this-list) and
> with whom I've talked about transient-mark-mode use
> transient-mark-mode (or its XEmacs equivalent)
All I know personally can't stand it. Now what?
> and find it difficult to use Emacs without it because of the lack of
> visual feedback about where the mark really is.
Huh? That's what C-x C-x is for (among other things). And if you want
a more permanent feedback, even C-u C-x C-x is now available.
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
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2006-08-28 7:48 change cursor type when idle Drew Adams
2006-08-28 9:54 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-28 15:00 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 15:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-28 16:08 ` David Hansen
2006-08-28 16:09 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 16:21 ` Lennart Borgman
2006-08-28 16:58 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 21:27 ` Juri Linkov
2006-08-28 23:13 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 20:27 ` Juri Linkov
2006-08-29 20:51 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 13:51 ` Mathias Dahl
2006-08-29 13:59 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-29 20:17 ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-08-28 21:06 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-28 21:44 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-29 1:18 ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-08-29 7:44 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-08-29 13:38 ` Drew Adams
2006-08-28 22:10 ` Richard Stallman
2007-07-01 20:24 ` Drew Adams
2007-07-02 19:47 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-11 7:48 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-11 10:11 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-02-13 0:25 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-11 21:10 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-12 14:30 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 14:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 15:10 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 15:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:20 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 16:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:43 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 17:12 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 18:07 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 18:20 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 18:34 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-12 19:34 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 21:45 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 18:44 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 20:54 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 15:19 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-12 15:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:11 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 16:21 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:27 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-12 16:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 16:55 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-12 17:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-12 17:45 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-13 11:52 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-13 15:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-13 16:04 ` CUA-mode features and documenation (was: Re: change cursor type when idle) Kim F. Storm
2008-02-13 16:23 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-13 22:45 ` CUA-mode features and documenation Juri Linkov
2008-02-13 22:59 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-13 23:18 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14 0:01 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-14 0:50 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14 0:58 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-14 1:12 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-14 18:10 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-15 17:11 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-17 13:22 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-17 18:05 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-18 11:40 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-18 13:44 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-18 15:52 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-17 19:51 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-17 22:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-17 22:30 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-18 13:48 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-17 13:22 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-17 16:58 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-17 18:06 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-18 11:40 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-19 8:52 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default [Re: CUA-mode features and documenation] Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-19 9:38 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-19 19:01 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-19 20:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-19 22:43 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-19 23:45 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-19 23:49 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 0:12 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 0:19 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 0:30 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 0:49 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 7:48 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 0:16 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-20 3:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 9:56 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 16:32 ` CUA-*mode (was: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default) Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 17:27 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 8:59 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 12:27 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-20 12:52 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 13:09 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 14:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 15:11 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 15:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 15:55 ` David Reitter
2008-02-20 16:04 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-02-20 16:27 ` David Reitter
2008-02-21 15:34 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-02-20 16:23 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 3:52 ` Provide different sets of .emacs [Was: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] William Xu
2008-02-21 4:04 ` Provide different sets of .emacs William Xu
2008-02-20 16:14 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 16:27 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 17:21 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 17:30 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 20:48 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-20 21:07 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 16:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 17:00 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2008-02-20 17:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 19:30 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-20 20:09 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 20:41 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 17:45 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 23:01 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:24 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-22 3:18 ` Miles Bader
[not found] ` <8e24944a0802212139r2bae3597ke49c5c6da65da445@mail.gmail.com>
2008-02-22 5:49 ` Fwd: " David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 0:09 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 0:31 ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-23 1:02 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-23 1:20 ` Bastien
2008-02-23 9:16 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-23 1:17 ` Bastien
2008-02-23 5:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 10:30 ` Bastien
2008-02-23 19:29 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 21:44 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 14:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-22 10:47 ` Bastien
2008-02-22 13:11 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-22 14:16 ` Bastien Guerry
2008-02-22 14:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 18:06 ` Bastien
2008-02-22 15:53 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-22 18:12 ` Bastien
2008-02-22 22:20 ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-22 23:09 ` Mike Mattie
2008-02-23 19:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 14:57 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-02-22 16:27 ` Leo
2008-02-22 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 17:35 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-20 18:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 19:02 ` Evans Winner
2008-02-20 21:13 ` Jason Earl
2008-02-20 21:24 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-20 22:46 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 7:30 ` martin rudalics
2008-02-21 22:29 ` scroll-restore.el Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 16:11 ` scroll-restore.el David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 19:32 ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-22 19:41 ` scroll-restore.el David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 19:51 ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-22 19:26 ` scroll-restore.el martin rudalics
2008-02-20 23:15 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Jason Earl
2008-02-20 23:30 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 0:42 ` Jason Earl
2008-02-21 9:57 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 14:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 14:41 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 16:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 16:26 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 17:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 17:38 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 17:52 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 21:45 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 22:24 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 17:27 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 22:25 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 22:59 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:17 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 23:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:39 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-21 23:45 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-21 23:10 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-22 10:07 ` Andreas Schwab
2008-02-22 12:19 ` Tassilo Horn
2008-02-22 12:28 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-22 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-22 23:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 0:03 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 0:14 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-23 8:04 ` Mathias Dahl
2008-02-23 0:04 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 19:29 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 0:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 0:21 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 0:46 ` Should M-SPC respect `sentence-end-double-space'? Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 0:46 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2008-02-23 3:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 0:52 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 3:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 3:47 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-23 8:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-23 15:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-23 17:01 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Richard Stallman
2008-03-01 22:15 ` Glenn Morris
2008-03-01 22:40 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-02 2:56 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-02 17:25 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-02 5:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-02 16:09 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-02 17:25 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 12:07 ` Robert J. Chassell
2008-02-20 21:15 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 15:55 ` Luc Teirlinck
2008-02-22 3:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-22 22:57 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 0:08 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-02-21 22:27 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 19:09 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 0:10 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 11:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-20 20:01 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-20 20:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-20 22:16 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMark " Drew Adams
2008-02-20 22:32 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-02-20 22:45 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 1:09 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 1:44 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 8:05 ` Sven Joachim
2008-02-21 0:13 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-21 1:44 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 4:56 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 17:46 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-21 22:28 ` Tentative diagnosis of Transient Mark mode's " Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 8:19 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's " Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-21 9:43 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMarkMode " Drew Adams
2008-02-21 10:54 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-21 17:10 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 19:28 ` Sascha Wilde
2008-02-21 21:42 ` David Kastrup
2008-02-22 11:58 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Robert J. Chassell
2008-02-22 14:49 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-22 16:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 10:59 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling TransientMarkMode by default] Andreas Schwab
2008-02-21 16:55 ` Drew Adams
2008-02-21 22:29 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-21 8:05 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode " Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-21 14:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 17:44 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem Johan Bockgård
2008-02-21 19:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 22:38 ` Johan Bockgård
2008-02-22 1:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-02-21 9:16 ` Tentative diagnosis of TMM's problem. [Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default] Richard Stallman
2008-02-23 11:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-02-24 0:53 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-20 21:27 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Juri Linkov
2008-02-19 9:48 ` Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default [Re: CUA-mode features and documenation] David Kastrup
2008-02-17 18:11 ` CUA-mode features and documenation David De La Harpe Golden
2008-02-14 1:54 ` Leo
2008-02-13 22:00 ` change cursor type when idle Richard Stallman
2008-02-14 13:16 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-02-15 0:03 ` Richard Stallman
2008-02-12 19:31 ` Juri Linkov
2008-02-12 21:23 ` Miles Bader
2008-02-12 21:42 ` Juri Linkov
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