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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>,
	Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for	beginning-of-defun-raw.
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 01:53:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <858xha7ze3.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20061214232857.GA1239@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "14 Dec 2006 23\:18\:22 +0100\, Thu\, 14 Dec 2006 23\:28\:57 +0000")

Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:

> With the patch I suggested last night, you still find an initial M->
> in xdisp.c too slow (~4 seconds on your 1.7 GHz PC).  That's a
> massively large file.  How fast must this operation be before you'd
> find it acceptable?  In emacs/src, there are files.c of all sizes,
> ranging from pre-crt0.c (484 bytes) to xdisp.c (722032 bytes).  If
> David Kastrup's conjectured "quadratic dependency" were true (I
> don't think it is), then a "typical" sized file.c (say, eval.c at
> just over 100k) would take ~0.1 seconds for this.  If the dependency
> is linear, it would take ~0.5 seconds.
>
> Please satisfy my curiosity, experiment with decreasing file sizes,
> and tell me at what file size the reaction becomes too slow for you.

The problem appears not quadratic on file size to me, but rather
quadratic on function size, or average fontification search size.  So
large automatically generated code passages would be candidates for
performance hits.

The large slowdown most likely would not be necessary if information
was reused intelligently and not scanned repeatedly.  That requires a
good analysis and careful implementation/reimplementation.

And the end of the pretest is the wrong time to start something like
this.  And it is also the wrong time to check in a half-baked solution
that makes for somewhat more pleasing results while causing large
performance hits.

The feature is not ready for Emacs 22.  And there is no useful plan
that would make it become so.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-12-15  0:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <87y7po2e9b.fsf@leeloo.anubex.internal>
     [not found] ` <45741FBE.3000107@swipnet.se>
     [not found]   ` <45742464.1090504@gmx.at>
2006-12-04 21:17     ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-06  0:47       ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-06  9:04       ` martin rudalics
2006-12-06 12:22         ` Kim F. Storm
2006-12-06 16:31           ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-07  4:59             ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-09 17:46               ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-09 20:09                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  1:05                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-11  2:27                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  4:38                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-12 16:24                       ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-12 17:10                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-10  4:24                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-10  0:35               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-10  1:11                 ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-10  9:12                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-10 12:46                     ` David Kastrup
2006-12-10 14:50                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-10 15:13                         ` David Kastrup
2006-12-10 20:30                     ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-13 21:29                       ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14  1:02                         ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-14  7:36                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14 10:47                             ` martin rudalics
2006-12-14 18:26                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14 18:53                                 ` David Kastrup
2006-12-14 20:21                                 ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-14 20:35                                 ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-14 22:18                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14 22:51                                     ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-15  0:53                                     ` David Kastrup [this message]
2006-12-15 10:35                                     ` Johan Bockgård
2006-12-14 21:53                                 ` What `opic0ids' really is [was: Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw.] Stuart D. Herring
2006-12-15  7:32                                 ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw martin rudalics
2006-12-15 19:22                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-15 22:20                                     ` David Kastrup
2006-12-16 10:17                                     ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17 11:44                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 12:02                                         ` David Kastrup
2006-12-17 12:08                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 12:14                                             ` David Kastrup
2006-12-17 12:26                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 12:51                                                 ` David Kastrup
2006-12-17 17:28                                         ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17 18:36                                         ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for c-basic-common-init Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 18:45                                           ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-17 22:18                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 22:59                                               ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-18  0:06                                         ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw Stefan Monnier
2006-12-15 23:24                               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-16 10:17                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 18:14                                   ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-16 18:27                                   ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 19:00                                     ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 19:33                                       ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-16 19:59                                         ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 20:10                                           ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-16 21:26                                             ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-16 22:43                                               ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 23:30                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-16 23:40                                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17  0:04                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-17  4:02                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-17 10:32                                                       ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17 10:26                                                     ` martin rudalics
2006-12-17 10:59                                                       ` David Kastrup
2006-12-17 23:23                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-17 11:10                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-17 12:01                                                       ` David Kastrup
2006-12-18  0:04                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-16 22:11                                             ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 23:29                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-16 23:37                                             ` martin rudalics
2006-12-16 20:22                                         ` David Kastrup
2006-12-16 22:21                                           ` martin rudalics
2006-12-14 17:29                             ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-14 18:56                               ` David Kastrup
2006-12-14 22:57                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-15 22:56                           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-15 23:03                             ` David Kastrup
2006-12-14 10:45                         ` martin rudalics
2006-12-14 18:29                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-15 22:49                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-10 21:39                     ` Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue Stefan Monnier
2006-12-10 23:14                       ` Kim F. Storm
2006-12-14  7:43                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-14  7:51                         ` Miles Bader
2006-12-15 23:36                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-10  9:18                   ` martin rudalics
2006-12-11  1:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  7:23                       ` martin rudalics
2006-12-11  7:36                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  8:32                           ` martin rudalics
2006-12-11 16:30                             ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  1:05                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-11  1:06                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-06 18:44         ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-06 22:38           ` martin rudalics
2006-12-08  5:05             ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-09  9:42               ` martin rudalics
2006-12-10  4:24                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-10  8:38                   ` martin rudalics
2006-12-10 10:56                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-10 11:58                     ` martin rudalics
2006-12-10 14:30                       ` Slawomir Nowaczyk
2006-12-11  1:29                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-06 20:52         ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-12-06 22:38           ` martin rudalics
2006-12-07  5:07           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-12-15  5:03 Mysterious fontification/C++ context issue - Patch for beginning-of-defun-raw Richard Stallman
2006-12-15  6:31 ` Sean O'Rourke
2006-12-15 16:08   ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-15 16:16     ` Sean O'Rourke
2006-12-15 16:44       ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-15 20:46         ` Stuart D. Herring
2006-12-15 21:24   ` Richard Stallman
2006-12-15 22:31     ` Sean O'Rourke
2006-12-15 16:57 ` Chong Yidong
2006-12-15 23:33 ` Stefan Monnier

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