From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default of jit-lock-stealth-time Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:35:31 +0100 Message-ID: <858xei7psc.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <85tzxazb8r.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87ps7x4clj.fsf@pacem.orebokech.com> <85irdpweuq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87ejocik1a.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <85hct8ovog.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85fy8riafz.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85ps7vgsxi.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1172644565 27668 80.91.229.12 (28 Feb 2007 06:36:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:36:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 28 07:35:52 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HMIPm-0000SH-KO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:35:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMIPm-0004WO-SX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:35:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HMIPZ-0004Uq-Gn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:35:37 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HMIPX-0004TR-MO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:35:36 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HMIPX-0004TN-Fl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:35:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-10.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.50]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.52) id 1HMIPW-0005T0-4O; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 01:35:34 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.13]) by mail-in-10.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C9F1F510F; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:35:32 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.41]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB390EF810; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:35:32 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-043-215.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.43.215]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5DE19B321; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:35:32 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 019A11D17415; Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:35:31 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed\, 28 Feb 2007 06\:42\:32 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:66995 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: David Kastrup >> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:02:49 +0100 >> > >> > One evidence I can offer is the number of discussions between >> > developers where different people tried many times to convince >> > Richard to turn font-lock on by default. >> >> Where would have been the point in having it turned on by default if >> "a large majority of users" would turn it on manually, anyway? > > To lower the flood of questions posted by newbies asking why they see > no syntax highlight, _before_ they turn it on. I can't remember such a flood. The discussion was very much between seasoned Emacs users as far as I remember. >> I see this rather as evidence that people did _not_ turn it on by >> default, and that Emacs' popularity suffered because of that. > > Popularity did suffer, but because newbies couldn't imagine Emacs > didn't have syntax highlight. As soon as they learned Emacs did > have it, they turned it on. There would still be that flood around to look at since newbies tend to install stable versions of Emacs. I still see quite a few questions about Emacs 21.4 on the help lists. I can't remember font lock mode being a topic in that context lately, however. So I quite definitely disagree with the conclusions you draw from font-lock history. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum