From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
drew.adams@oracle.com
Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 21:48:23 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <858wz8ux2w.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200804201931.m3KJVO4X008875@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:31:24 -0700")
Dan Nicolaescu <dann@ics.uci.edu> writes:
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
> > > All thinks considered, IMHO the present behavior, where delete-selection
> > > is off, is a better default.
> >
> > Agreed. In my message I referred to using a form of
> > delete-selection-mode, but that's a very limited form of it: it only
> > applies to `yank'. I like it because it allows me to do C-M-SPC C-y to
> > replace an argument.
>
> How about we do a user poll about this?
> That seems to be a better way of deciding a default for such a very
> visible feature.
It is sort of a popular democratic sickness that people think they are
achieving anything by choosing between two existing bad things instead
of improving either one.
With the current semantics of active regions and delete-selection-mode,
I consider the end result painful. That does not change that it may
also be in some cases be useful.
Polling users and/or setting the default means one gives up on the idea
to have something that is useful while not being painful.
Does really nobody have an idea how to improve the situation? Maybe
generalize mouse-deletion-mode (or what it is called) somewhat: I think
that I could tolerate an active region being deleted by typing DEL.
Now that transient-mark-mode is the default and that mouse-marking makes
an active region anyway, this might make for a more consistent user
interface without being too much of an annoyance.
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-04-20 19:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 279+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-04-18 22:06 FW: commands to select things of different kinds Drew Adams
2008-04-19 3:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-04-19 20:11 ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-19 20:22 ` David Kastrup
2008-04-19 20:33 ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Juri Linkov
2008-04-20 13:47 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-19 23:18 ` FW: commands to select things of different kinds Richard Stallman
2008-04-19 23:43 ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Juri Linkov
2008-04-20 10:10 ` Kim F. Storm
2008-04-20 14:57 ` delete-selection-mode Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-21 3:08 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 3:59 ` delete-selection-mode Thomas Lord
2008-04-21 19:47 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 20:57 ` delete-selection-mode Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-21 21:40 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 18:34 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2008-04-20 19:25 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-20 19:31 ` delete-selection-mode Dan Nicolaescu
2008-04-20 19:48 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2008-04-20 20:28 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 20:32 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 20:53 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-20 21:20 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 21:42 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 5:37 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 6:18 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 6:24 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 6:40 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 9:36 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 16:44 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:47 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 18:12 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:53 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 20:02 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 20:28 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 6:44 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 14:19 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2008-04-21 16:41 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:01 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 17:45 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 17:58 ` delete-selection-mode Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-04-21 18:36 ` delete-selection-mode Paul R
2008-04-21 18:51 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:04 ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 19:48 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 20:06 ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 20:09 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 20:10 ` delete-selection-mode Juanma Barranquero
2008-04-21 19:54 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 19:56 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 20:07 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 4:20 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-22 5:34 ` delete-selection-mode Thomas Lord
2008-04-22 8:10 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-22 8:38 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 20:08 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-22 20:08 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-21 20:03 ` delete-selection-mode Paul R
2008-04-21 20:39 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-21 19:51 ` delete-selection-mode Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-04-21 20:06 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 19:10 ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-21 19:47 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-22 12:20 ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-22 12:34 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-22 15:54 ` delete-selection-mode Robert J. Chassell
2008-04-22 13:29 ` delete-selection-mode David Reitter
2008-04-21 19:47 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2008-04-20 21:06 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-20 21:27 ` delete-selection-mode Eli Zaretskii
2008-04-20 22:28 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-20 19:32 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 19:37 ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Alan Mackenzie
2008-04-20 19:29 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2008-04-20 21:26 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-20 21:45 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 0:10 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 0:23 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-04-21 1:44 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 0:28 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2008-04-21 1:44 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2008-04-21 3:07 ` delete-selection-mode (was: FW: commands to select things of different kinds) Richard Stallman
2008-04-19 20:35 ` FW: commands to select things of different kinds Drew Adams
2008-04-19 22:54 ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-19 23:22 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-20 23:52 ` Juri Linkov
2008-04-21 0:13 ` Drew Adams
2008-04-21 1:03 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] <E1Nq9QM-0005sN-MO@internal.in.savannah.gnu.org>
2010-03-12 22:58 ` [Emacs-diffs] /srv/bzr/emacs/trunk r99650: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX James Cloos
2010-03-12 23:23 ` Chong Yidong
[not found] ` <201003130001.o2D01FFQ003489@godzilla.ics.uci.edu>
2010-03-13 1:14 ` Chong Yidong
2010-03-17 0:54 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 4:51 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default onUNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-17 21:32 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 22:08 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 1:38 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 5:21 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-18 21:06 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 21:06 ` delete-selection-mode Johan Bockgård
2010-03-18 21:23 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 10:12 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 13:28 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-17 13:56 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 18:07 ` delete-selection-mode joakim
2010-03-17 14:35 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-17 19:30 ` Lennart Borgman
2010-03-17 19:38 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 19:53 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-17 20:24 ` delete-selection-mode Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-17 20:36 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 21:09 ` delete-selection-mode Óscar Fuentes
2010-03-17 21:25 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-17 21:37 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-17 21:55 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-17 22:24 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 7:53 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 2:48 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-17 21:43 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 7:56 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:27 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 17:15 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 20:54 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-21 8:21 ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-21 9:01 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-21 15:33 ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-21 15:43 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-30 0:55 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 0:33 ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-18 0:42 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 1:48 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 2:57 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-18 16:37 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 16:41 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-18 18:02 ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-19 15:56 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 16:42 ` delete-selection-mode Chad Brown
2010-03-20 2:24 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 2:36 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 5:42 ` delete-selection-mode Uwe Siart
2010-03-20 16:49 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 16:53 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 17:15 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-21 22:27 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-22 1:04 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 1:16 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-22 6:48 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-22 1:21 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-22 2:04 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 15:25 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-22 15:29 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 0:21 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 4:58 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-23 7:48 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 9:02 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-23 16:13 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-23 16:40 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 17:13 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-23 17:23 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 18:09 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 9:29 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-24 13:34 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 7:07 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-25 17:44 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26 7:02 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-26 20:13 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26 5:04 ` delete-selection-mode Kevin Rodgers
2010-03-26 5:11 ` delete-selection-mode Daniel Colascione
2010-03-26 7:03 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-26 7:37 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-23 21:52 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-23 22:07 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-24 0:47 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-25 17:57 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-26 2:48 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-26 17:29 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-26 20:20 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-26 3:51 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-26 6:03 ` delete-selection-mode joakim
2010-03-26 12:51 ` delete-selection-mode Teemu Likonen
2010-03-23 17:18 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-23 17:18 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-23 17:33 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-22 6:44 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-22 7:41 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-22 13:51 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-22 7:48 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 14:37 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-24 15:15 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-24 20:27 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-25 2:55 ` delete-selection-mode David Reitter
2010-03-20 18:28 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-21 22:27 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 15:56 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 17:21 ` delete-selection-mode Chong Yidong
2010-03-19 19:01 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-23 3:01 ` delete-selection-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-23 15:20 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-18 17:35 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 15:56 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 18:52 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 22:28 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-19 23:59 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 2:24 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 3:40 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 16:49 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 17:36 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 2:02 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-19 2:46 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 6:35 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 7:43 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 2:23 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 3:53 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-20 4:33 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-20 11:31 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 16:50 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 16:51 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 17:37 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-21 1:15 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-21 2:59 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-20 21:58 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-21 1:17 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-21 4:56 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-21 11:36 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-20 16:50 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-20 17:32 ` delete-selection-mode Harald Hanche-Olsen
2010-03-21 22:27 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-03-19 3:39 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-19 3:50 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 17:06 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 8:18 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 21:33 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 3:15 ` delete-selection-mode Kevin Rodgers
2010-03-18 4:40 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-18 8:21 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 16:14 ` delete-selection-mode Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-03-18 10:12 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by default on UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 10:30 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:52 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 15:06 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:15 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 18:27 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 18:39 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-18 18:54 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 1:28 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-19 6:33 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 7:43 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 21:55 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 1:23 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-19 2:33 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 6:31 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 7:43 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 21:57 ` delete-selection-mode Johan Bockgård
2010-03-18 14:15 ` delete-selection-mode Jason Rumney
2010-03-18 14:34 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 15:35 ` delete-selection-mode Berndl, Klaus
2010-03-18 15:57 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:16 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-18 20:51 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-18 21:25 ` delete-selection-mode Miles Bader
2010-03-18 21:45 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 0:35 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-19 6:28 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 14:49 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-03-18 15:02 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 17:15 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaulton UNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-18 18:35 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 19:22 ` delete-selection-mode Chad Brown
2010-03-18 21:55 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 6:32 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 7:43 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 8:07 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 11:05 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-03-19 13:14 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 22:27 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
2010-03-21 8:26 ` delete-selection-mode Manoj Srivastava
2010-03-17 16:18 ` delete-selection-mode Glenn Morris
2010-03-17 21:46 ` delete-selection-mode Juri Linkov
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-03-17 19:31 AW: delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-17 20:49 ` Drew Adams
2010-03-18 9:24 ` delete-selection-mode Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 9:57 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-18 18:54 delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaulton UNIX.) Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-18 21:54 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaultonUNIX.) Drew Adams
2010-03-19 9:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2010-03-19 10:30 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 11:09 ` delete-selection-mode (was: Put scroll-bar on right by defaultonUNIX.) Lennart Borgman
2010-03-19 13:26 ` delete-selection-mode David Kastrup
2010-03-19 13:47 ` delete-selection-mode Lennart Borgman
2010-03-19 19:05 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-04-29 4:42 delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
2010-04-29 13:32 ` delete-selection-mode Stefan Monnier
2010-04-29 18:06 ` delete-selection-mode James Cloos
2010-04-29 18:27 ` delete-selection-mode Deniz Dogan
2010-04-29 19:47 ` delete-selection-mode Drew Adams
2010-04-29 20:37 ` delete-selection-mode Kim F. Storm
2010-04-30 5:54 ` delete-selection-mode Richard Stallman
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