From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:25:42 +0200 Message-ID: <858wvr3lbd.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> <87vdyzxype.fsf@saeurebad.de> <871w1njq32.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87iquzxgtk.fsf@saeurebad.de> <4884CFEF.8040404@gmail.com> <48861A51.1090401@gmail.com> <4887C77C.2090109@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216877185 22590 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2008 05:26:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lord@emf.net, rms@gnu.org, drobinow@gmail.com, hannes@saeurebad.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, acm@muc.de, miles@gnu.org To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 24 07:27:10 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLtLw-000298-8v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:27:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46660 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLtL2-00063g-If for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:26:04 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLtKw-000635-Ct for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:25:58 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLtKu-00061U-5b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:25:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36516 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLtKt-00061K-U2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:25:55 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-13.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.53]:47788) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLtKk-0001VD-Q4; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:25:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-14-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-14-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.31]) by mail-in-13.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB0C31E4FB9; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:25:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.44]) by mail-in-14-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A34D6100F6; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:25:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-063-239.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.63.239]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838FD1BF3D8; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:25:44 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 6797A1C1346B; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:25:43 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <4887C77C.2090109@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:06:20 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7809/Thu Jul 24 06:09:59 2008 on mail-in-04.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101368 Archived-At: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" writes: > Richard M Stallman wrote: >> IF making free programs working on windows helps promote >> GNU/Linux (or Herd) is not that good? >> >> Yes, but we can't assume in general that that is the case. For a few >> programs, such as OpenOffice and Firefox, the fact that they run on >> Windows seems to be a signficant aid to migration to GNU/Linux. But I >> don't see that this is true for other free programs. > > The programs you mention are end user programs. That they are (or seem > to be) an aid is perhaps rather easy to detect since the effect is > rather immediate. > > Developers programs might not have an immediate effect, but I believe > the long time aid might be much larger. Why? It makes it easier to stay on proprietary platforms. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum