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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>,
	jared@hpalace.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Shift selection using interactive spec
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:09:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <857iflpnwx.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47EE55F4.9030703@gmail.com> (Lennart Borgman's message of "Sat,  29 Mar 2008 15:45:08 +0100")

"Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes:

> David Kastrup wrote:
>> But there is no way to change the DOC string when one tacks a property
>> onto the function.  And that means that the DOC string change and the
>> property tack-on are not inherently _synchronized_.  And that is a bad
>> idea.
>
> I think you are attaching the wrong point. What is important is not
> only the doc string, but what the help system does. Of course the help
> system can take care of this. In this respect there is no problem with
> using a property here.
>
>> Again, this hides away part of the interactive behavior of a command to
>> a different place.  And again, it makes the mechanism depend on the
>> _name_ (aka symbol) of the called function rather than its function
>> definition.
>
> David, may I remind you that I asked you earlier about a way to change
> the interactive spec in the function cell. You answered with a way to
> instead attach a property to the symbol name.

Lennart, may I remind you that this was in answer to your asking for an
example after I pointed out that we _already_ have this interactive-form
property which, misguided as it may be, obliterates the necessity for
further things of its likeness which are not even remotely looking like
they have anything to do with the interactive call.

I am utterly fed up with this sort of game playing.  I did _not_, I
repeat _not_ at any point of time suggest that using _any_ property
_including_ the interactive-form property for stealthily modifying a
function's behavior inside of Emacs was a good idea.  I merely pointed
out that _if_ one wants to follow such an imprudent course, there is no
necessity to _further_ mess around with properties.

I regret giving you the example you requested since you apparently were
only interested in fabricating a strawman from it.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum




  reply	other threads:[~2008-03-29 15:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-13 23:29 Shift selection using interactive spec Chong Yidong
2008-03-14  0:44 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14  0:10   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14  1:22     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14  9:46       ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 10:01         ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-14 10:30           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 11:18           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 11:11         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 10:42           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 11:36             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 11:50             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14 11:39               ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 18:41                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-14  4:06 ` Dan Nicolaescu
2008-03-14 14:26   ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-14 14:32     ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-14 14:53       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-14 16:19         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 15:54       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-14 16:09         ` Drew Adams
2008-03-14 20:52         ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-14 20:59           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-14 21:08             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-15  0:56           ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-15  2:02             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-15  3:31               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-15 14:07                 ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-15 15:07                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-15 17:11                     ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-15 20:52                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-15 21:45                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 14:15                           ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-16 14:37                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-15 22:01                         ` shift-select harmony Thomas Lord
2008-03-15 23:38                           ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-15 17:16                   ` Shift selection using interactive spec Kim F. Storm
2008-03-15 20:59                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 23:31                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-03-15 21:08                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16  0:27                       ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-16  1:37                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16  9:09                           ` Mathias Dahl
2008-03-16 14:21                             ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-16 16:56                               ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 16:34                             ` Dear lazyweb (Re: Shift selection using interactive spec) Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 18:40                           ` Shift selection using interactive spec Stefan Monnier
2008-03-16 21:00                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 20:45                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-16 21:46                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 21:24                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2008-03-16 22:27                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 23:04                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-16 23:17                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-17  0:46                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-17  0:21                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-17  1:16                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 23:35                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-03-17  0:55                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-17  2:23                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17  3:12                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-17  2:21                               ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17  3:47                                 ` what's the point (re shift selection) Thomas Lord
2008-03-16 14:40                     ` Shift selection using interactive spec Chong Yidong
2008-03-16 15:04                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-16 17:13                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-17  0:54                       ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-17  2:40                         ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17  3:24                           ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-17 13:26                             ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17 16:33                               ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-17 17:21                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-17 19:11                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17 21:10                                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-17 21:44                                     ` Drew Adams
2008-03-18 11:40                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-18 14:16                                       ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18 15:07                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-18 16:24                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 17:54                                         ` Drew Adams
2008-03-20  5:03                                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-23  1:39                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-17 22:24                                 ` martin rudalics
2008-03-17 22:37                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-18  0:50                                     ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-18  7:48                                       ` martin rudalics
2008-03-18 17:46                                         ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-18 17:36                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-18 19:07                                             ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-18  7:48                                     ` martin rudalics
2008-03-17 22:53                                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18  3:12                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18  7:49                                     ` martin rudalics
2008-03-18 16:36                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 16:44                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-18 14:45                               ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18 16:39                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 18:28                                   ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-18 21:42                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-18 22:30                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2008-03-18 22:39                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-19  4:40                                         ` M Jared Finder
2008-03-26  8:09                                           ` David Kastrup
2008-03-26 10:48                                             ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-26 11:32                                               ` David Kastrup
2008-03-26 11:39                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-26 12:20                                                   ` David Kastrup
2008-03-26 13:14                                                     ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-26 13:26                                                       ` David Kastrup
2008-03-26 14:52                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-27  0:46                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-26 12:02                                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-26 11:47                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-26 22:26                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-26 23:31                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-27  7:02                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27  8:19                                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-27  8:41                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27 13:57                                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-27 14:39                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27 15:01                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-27 15:34                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-27 15:41                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-03-27 15:13                                                               ` Johan Bockgård
2008-03-27 19:41                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-27 23:52                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-28  7:33                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-29  0:47                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-29  7:03                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-03-29 11:53                                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-29 12:30                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-29 14:07                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-29 14:45                                                                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-29 15:09                                                                     ` David Kastrup [this message]
2008-03-29 15:30                                                                       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-30  0:52                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-30 17:56                                                                     ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30  5:49                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-28  4:05                                                       ` M Jared Finder
2008-03-28 11:10                                                         ` David Kastrup
2008-03-28 17:14                                                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-28 20:05                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-03-28 23:49                                                               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-28 20:42                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-28 21:47                                                           ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-28 22:01                                                             ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30  0:48                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-30 17:55                                                                 ` David Kastrup
2008-03-30 18:55                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-27  0:49                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-27  2:59                                                     ` Chong Yidong
2008-03-27 19:41                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-27 23:48                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-28 20:41                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-29  0:54                                                           ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-29  1:15                                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-03-29 16:37                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30  1:05                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-30  4:12                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-03-30 18:33                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-31 16:24                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30 19:56                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-30 22:46                                                                   ` Juri Linkov
2008-03-26 22:26                                               ` Richard Stallman
2008-03-18 17:45                                 ` Thomas Lord
2008-03-16  2:33                 ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-03-16 12:58 Robert J. Chassell

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