From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Meanness Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:37:20 +0200 Message-ID: <857ib83bdb.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20080726081019.GB1419@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217086668 26376 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 15:37:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:37:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 17:38:37 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMlqn-0002zC-2k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:38:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54688 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMlpt-00057q-9X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:37:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMlpq-00056V-B8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:37:30 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMlpo-00055H-S0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:37:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=54069 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMlpo-00055B-Og for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:37:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-14.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.54]:59898) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMlpj-0000tQ-6w; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:37:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.85]) by mail-in-14.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEB8187A07; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:37:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.41]) by mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CFC0107D8E; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:37:21 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-019-167.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.19.167]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D59104F7B; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:37:20 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 659251C4CCF2; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:37:20 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:16:09 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7832/Sat Jul 26 15:22:27 2008 on mail-in-01.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101529 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Let's assume that I have a spouse or an elderly parent who are asking > my help with their PC running a non-free OS: by the above reasoning, I > should divorce my spouse or renounce my parents, rather than helping > them, if for some reason they absolutely won't have me install a free > OS. Both my elderly parents are running GNU/Linux systems, and my father is actually using Emacs. Anyway, I don't need to divorce a spouse or renounce a parent if they choose to use a system for which I am not willing or able to do support. It just means that they are on their own with it, nothing more, nothing less. And frankly, my abilities for support on a machine where I can't use ssh for remote access would be quite limited, anyway. > We have a common goal here: improving Emacs. Emacs is not improved for me by Windows-only features. And I am not going to blow out US$200 and/or agree to a contract yielding Microsoft total control over my computer just to use Emacs. So if your goal is to improve Emacs on Windows, I don't see that this is a goal you would have in common with me. > Let's not put that goal in jeopardy by emphasizing minor (yes, minor!) > differences between us on how soon and how completely should each > private citizen switch to using Free Software and Free Software alone. That never was the issue. The issue is more like what we have to gain by having more and more software developers distracted by spending much of their time working on supporting non-free platforms or dealing with the consequences of such support. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum