From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Scratch buffer annoyance Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:24:19 +0200 Message-ID: <85644dsgpo.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1185045879 24507 80.91.229.12 (21 Jul 2007 19:24:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:24:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , Dieter Wilhelm , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 21 21:24:37 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1ICKZ6-0006k0-6y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:24:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICKZ5-0002NG-Fc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:24:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ICKZ2-0002N8-Ji for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:24:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1ICKZ0-0002Ms-SS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:24:28 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1ICKZ0-0002Mp-O1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:24:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.41]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1ICKZ0-0005vL-6e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:24:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-08-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-08-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.20]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E6A15C28E; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:24:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-09.arcor-online.net (mail-in-09.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.49]) by mail-in-08-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD7F212FA9; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:24:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-010-231.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.10.231]) by mail-in-09.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48BC73425E6; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:24:24 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 8CC071CE043A; Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:24:19 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat\, 21 Jul 2007 11\:52\:53 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.91.1/3716/Sat Jul 21 19:42:25 2007 on mail-in-09.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:75258 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > 2. Instead of [Visit *scratch* Buffer], it should say [Visit Scratch Lisp > Buffer]. > > > 3. We should get rid of the descriptions next to the links. "Visit new file" > is wrong, anyway; "Create New File" is better on its own. "Visit home > directory" adds nothing. "Scratch" implies not automatically saving - think > of scratch pad and scratch paper. > > If we must have descriptions next to the links, then use this for *scratch*: > "Visit buffer *scratch* for Lisp interaction that is not saved > automatically". > > > 4. Instead of [Visit home directory], it should say [Visit directory]. Which > directory to visit should be customizable, with `~/' as the default value. > Add an option `splash-screen-directory-to-visit' to custom group > `fancy-splash-screen'. I consider all of those proposals a change for the worse for a beginner, and the splash screen is a tool dedicated to the beginner. If you really must have a customizable splash screen, then it makes sense to make the _whole_ list a single customizable list, with several preselectable functions and parameters and texts which one can replace. But the default text should _not_ try to take into account that people might want to mangle the function without having to mangle the button inscriptions. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum