From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: new version of the proposed emacs icons Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:41:27 +0100 Message-ID: <8563wywmh4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <200802041612.m14GCq7w003656@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802070442.m174gVln014478@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200802082357.m18NvkTG015950@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1202546516 24771 80.91.229.12 (9 Feb 2008 08:41:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dan Nicolaescu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 09 09:42:18 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JNlHu-0002Ar-Kg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 09:42:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JNlHR-0000rd-Mg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:41:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JNlHK-0000qE-Rr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:41:42 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JNlHI-0000l5-8C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:41:42 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JNlHH-0000kn-Ou for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:41:39 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.45]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JNlHD-0002Ge-OH; Sat, 09 Feb 2008 03:41:36 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.21]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14817183B8B; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:41:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.44]) by mail-in-09-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DF028EDD0; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:41:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-012-050.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.12.50]) by mail-in-04.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEE191BF3D5; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:41:33 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id D9D7B1C4DC09; Sat, 9 Feb 2008 09:41:28 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <200802082357.m18NvkTG015950@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:57:46 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/5753/Sat Feb 9 04:34:35 2008 on mail-in-04.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:88576 Archived-At: Dan Nicolaescu writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > > > A number of people were questioning why are we changing icons. > > > > I do not insist that we change. And if we change, I do not insist > > we pick one of these two. > > OK, so let's find a way to move forward with this. > > One of the most sensible comments that was made about the icons was that > we had a different icon for each major version. We can use the proposed > icon for emacs-23. > > Given that we don't really have an overabundance of artists willing to > work on things like this, and that the proposed icons look really good, > let's check in version 1 (it leads by one vote). Which shows that both are bad compromises and the good solution would be in the middle, as mentioned several times. > We have to show some goodwill here. There's enough time to refine the > icon until 23.1 is released. > > Does this sound like a sensible plan? If it is really impossible to give the artist the constructive feedback about the comments voiced here, I don't see how the "goodwill" is going to reach him either. Have you at least _tried_ directing some of the comments back to him or letting him read this thread? Or is he to be kept in the dark and we should just pick from whatever he delivers without giving feedback? Do you really think that this is an effective manner of working? -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum