From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Enabling Transient Mark Mode by default Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:11:09 +0100 Message-ID: <8563wjhdde.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87myq4saw1.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <200802171658.m1HGwQ4h011067@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219085231.GA1032@muc.de> <200802190938.m1J9ccVg016565@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <20080219190127.GA1106@muc.de> <877ih0o9dx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <85k5kzhj0h.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203520296 2737 80.91.229.12 (20 Feb 2008 15:11:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs Devel To: "Juanma Barranquero" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 20 16:12:00 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JRqbt-0004d3-7Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:11:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRqbO-0000Ei-8i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:11:18 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRqbK-0000EF-2s for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:11:14 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JRqbI-0000Da-Fb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:11:13 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JRqbI-0000DU-C5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:11:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-06.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.46]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JRqbH-0004J9-WF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 10:11:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.16]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A6D31EB0F; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:11:10 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (mail-in-05.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.45]) by mail-in-04-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78C23ABAE7; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:11:10 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-026-202.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.26.202]) by mail-in-05.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ADE33BEB1; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:11:10 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 869281CDB1E6; Wed, 20 Feb 2008 16:11:09 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:33:44 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/5893/Wed Feb 20 09:07:36 2008 on mail-in-05.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:89689 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On Feb 20, 2008 2:09 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > >> No. What is most usable. We want Emacs to be the best editor >> available, not the most similar to lesser products. > > It can be the best editor available even if some defaults (similar to > those of "lesser products") make life easier for newbies. > >> Transient-mark-mode messes with the normal work flow (and the active >> region) in a way that is not helpful. It is not even actually similar >> to what other software does with regions. > > I was commenting on general policy; I don't particularly care about > transient mark mode. Solving problems in perfect generality without bothering to look at them is not necessarily the most effective recipe for actual progress. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum