From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: <854pcytnjy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> <4pd9g15e.fsf@blue.sea.net> <87r6g7z3m2.fsf@everybody.org> <87odbbngr8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20080125231308.57E9A30303@Psilocybe.Update.UU.SE> <873aslsck9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <85bq77yxpf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1201505461 23559 80.91.229.12 (28 Jan 2008 07:31:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:31:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, ams@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, stephen@xemacs.org, miles@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 28 08:31:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JJOSe-0002lR-LJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:31:20 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJOSD-0002Oz-O2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:30:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JJOS9-0002Ok-Bu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:30:49 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JJOS7-0002OY-TY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:30:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JJOS7-0002OV-Mx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:30:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-17.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.57]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JJORx-0005lY-9b; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:30:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.85]) by mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7B12BB776; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:30:35 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (mail-in-17.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.57]) by mail-in-20-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EEA107883; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:30:34 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-055-134.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.55.134]) by mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5552BB7A2; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:30:14 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 49AD91C29911; Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:30:09 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:18:05 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92/5573/Sun Jan 27 10:09:57 2008 on mail-in-17.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:87692 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > I think you have the wrong picture of the issue. That implies that there is only one right picture. > All the GNU packages are part of one joint project to develop an > operating system. To achieve this we must support each other. To > keep ourselves honest, we must use other GNU packages whenever they > are fit for use. Using a package is not the same as supporting it: it actually places additional burdens on its developers. When there are no additional resources moved to them as well, their package has no tangible advantage from this sort of "support". And when this makes the sitation worse at the "supporting" package, the total situation is a loss for GNU. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum