From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Release plans Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:41:07 +0200 Message-ID: <854p6p57y4.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87r69wcxn7.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <871w1t4b7w.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216276883 5111 80.91.229.12 (17 Jul 2008 06:41:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 06:41:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Chong Yidong , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 17 08:42:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KJNBq-0002RU-Kf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:42:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35383 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJNAy-0002g2-41 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:41:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJNAt-0002dm-FN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:41:11 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJNAs-0002cJ-No for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:41:11 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56434 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJNAs-0002c7-Ee for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:41:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.41]:39805) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KJNAs-0001tg-30 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:41:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.28]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E42915B6E9; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:41:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (mail-in-17.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.57]) by mail-in-11-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 583C534667A; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:41:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-044-040.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.44.40]) by mail-in-17.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B01D34E582; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:41:08 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id E34DE1C4D4A0; Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:41:07 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <871w1t4b7w.fsf@jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Thu, 17 Jul 2008 03:27:47 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7733/Thu Jul 17 04:32:16 2008 on mail-in-17.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100867 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: >> Just a reminder: we will begin the feature freeze for Emacs 23.1 at the >> end of this month. >> >> The original plan was to merge CEDET in time for the freeze. However, >> this isn't going to happen because of a delay in legal paperwork; >> hopefully, CEDET will be included in 23.2. > > I have doubts that CEDET can be included in Emacs 23 without adding > more features because some parts have to be rewritten to be more clean > (like replacing defadvices with Emacs native features etc.) "delay in legal paperwork" is ringing all my alarm bells. Paper work that won't get done in a month is not likely to get done in a year. I don't see that dropping the ball now will make it easier to pick it up next time round. > Emacs 23.1 has enough major features, so maybe it makes sense to > include CEDET in the next major release after 23.1 with more related > Emacs features (like tabbed UI and others), and advertise it as Emacs > IDE. I'd really much prefer if we could get this over with. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum