From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Meanness Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:51:11 +0200 Message-ID: <853alw3aq8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <20080726081019.GB1419@muc.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217087502 28580 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 15:51:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 15:51:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Juanma Barranquero" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 17:52:22 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMm4D-0007ou-Ew for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:52:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44683 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMm3J-0002m1-O3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:51:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMm3E-0002ls-35 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:51:20 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMm3C-0002lg-Mv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:51:19 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57208 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMm3C-0002ld-Jh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:51:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-08.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.48]:58935) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMm37-0002sv-UF; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:51:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.15]) by mail-in-08.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A90C27AD76; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:51:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.41]) by mail-in-03-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18E2F2D3B6A; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:51:12 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-019-167.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.19.167]) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BE0104FA7; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:51:11 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 678691C4CCF2; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:51:11 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:27:20 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7832/Sat Jul 26 15:22:27 2008 on mail-in-01.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101530 Archived-At: "Juanma Barranquero" writes: > On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 17:16, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> You are exaggerating, and so are others who expressed similarly >> extremist views in this dispute. > > [...] > >> We have a common goal here: improving Emacs. Let's not put that goal >> in jeopardy by emphasizing minor (yes, minor!) differences between us >> on how soon and how completely should each private citizen switch to >> using Free Software and Free Software alone. > > 100% agreement. Agreement with strawmen is always easy. The issue is not what software other people should be using, but rather what software the GNU project should be working on and support. Improving "Emacs on Windows" is not the same as improving Emacs because Emacs is targeted as a component of the GNU system. Supporting Emacs on Windows is at best orthogonal to that goal. I am tired of having all sorts of silly insinuations ascribed to me in order to have people "win" their arguments. We are in disagreement over the relative merit of having Emacs run on Windows. I don't see why this can only be considered tolerable when one can prove me to be a blabbering idiot. So feel free to disagree with me if you are so inclined, but please refrain from putting nonsense in my mouth. If you can't justify your views before yourself and others without resorting to such measures, this should make you think. Thanks, -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum