Re: Any good stuff for emacs study ?

Re: Any good stuff for emacs study ?

[Pascal Bourguignon]

Bo Yang <struggleyb@gmail.com> writes:

> I want to use emacs as my first editor because I heard that it is very
> flexible
> and can be used to edit many lauguage as well as be used as mail client and
> many many others .
> But the manual at gnu is too long to read completely as a tutorial , and
> is there
> any good book or manual to begin with ?

- Launch emacs.
- Type C-h t  (that means, type: control-h, then t).
- Read the tutorial; it's only 840 lines.
- Use emacs!


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RE: Any good stuff for emacs study ?

[Drew Adams]

    > But the manual at gnu is too long to read completely as a
    > tutorial, and is there any good book or manual to begin with?

    - Launch emacs.
    - Type C-h t  (that means, type: control-h, then t).
    - Read the tutorial; it's only 840 lines.
    - Use emacs!

Others have also recommended the Emacs Wiki and the Emacs manual. I would
point out that the place to start on the wiki is here:
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/EmacsNewbie. That page will get you
started and it can point you to other learning resources (e.g. books) as
well. Also, (like any good manual) the Emacs manual has the most basic
topics near the beginning, and they are usually identified as such.

The most important thing to know about the Emacs manual is that it is always
available, with easy browsing, searching, and index lookup. Use `C-h i' to
access it (choose Emacs manual in the list of manuals). Use `q' to quit,
then `C-h i' again later (in the same Emacs session) to pick up where you
last left off.

Emacs help is also always available - see #3 below.

Here's the recipe for learning:

1. Start with the Emacs tutorial. The post above should have said "use" the
tutorial, not "read" it. It walks you through learning Emacs by using it.

2. Learn how to access the Emacs manual and how to look things up in it,
starting with `i' as Eli mentioned.

3. Use Emacs, and while you use it ask it! Get to know Emacs help commands:
`C-h k', `C-h f', `C-h v', `C-h m', `C-h a' -- use `C-h h' to see them all.
Examples: 1) You want to find a command that deletes a line, so you try `C-h
a line' to see all commands with "line" in their name. 2) You want to know
what hitting a given sequences of keys will do, so you try `C-h k' then type
the key sequence.

4. Don't forget the wiki. People like you wrote it to help people like you.
And you can contribute (questions, experiences, suggestions...).


Bottom line: You can be doing amazing stuff in a short time, but you can
also spend a lifetime or two learning more - Emacs is unlimited, but don't
be discouraged by the incredible amount of stuff you can learn.

Many Emacs learners (like myself) are Emacs addicts - they just like
learning new things and sharing them with others. That does not mean that
you must master a zillion complexities before you can be productive with
Emacs. You'll be productive within a few minutes.

Re: Any good stuff for emacs study ?

[Bo Yang]

Drew Adams 写道:
>     > But the manual at gnu is too long to read completely as a
>     > tutorial, and is there any good book or manual to begin with?
>
>     - Launch emacs.
>     - Type C-h t  (that means, type: control-h, then t).
>     - Read the tutorial; it's only 840 lines.
>     - Use emacs!
>
> Others have also recommended the Emacs Wiki and the Emacs manual. I would
> point out that the place to start on the wiki is here:
> http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/wiki/EmacsNewbie. That page will get you
> started and it can point you to other learning resources (e.g. books) as
> well. Also, (like any good manual) the Emacs manual has the most basic
> topics near the beginning, and they are usually identified as such.
>
> The most important thing to know about the Emacs manual is that it is always
> available, with easy browsing, searching, and index lookup. Use `C-h i' to
> access it (choose Emacs manual in the list of manuals). Use `q' to quit,
> then `C-h i' again later (in the same Emacs session) to pick up where you
> last left off.
>
> Emacs help is also always available - see #3 below.
>
> Here's the recipe for learning:
>
> 1. Start with the Emacs tutorial. The post above should have said "use" the
> tutorial, not "read" it. It walks you through learning Emacs by using it.
>
> 2. Learn how to access the Emacs manual and how to look things up in it,
> starting with `i' as Eli mentioned.
>
> 3. Use Emacs, and while you use it ask it! Get to know Emacs help commands:
> `C-h k', `C-h f', `C-h v', `C-h m', `C-h a' -- use `C-h h' to see them all.
> Examples: 1) You want to find a command that deletes a line, so you try `C-h
> a line' to see all commands with "line" in their name. 2) You want to know
> what hitting a given sequences of keys will do, so you try `C-h k' then type
> the key sequence.
>
> 4. Don't forget the wiki. People like you wrote it to help people like you.
> And you can contribute (questions, experiences, suggestions...).
>
>
> Bottom line: You can be doing amazing stuff in a short time, but you can
> also spend a lifetime or two learning more - Emacs is unlimited, but don't
> be discouraged by the incredible amount of stuff you can learn.
>
> Many Emacs learners (like myself) are Emacs addicts - they just like
> learning new things and sharing them with others. That does not mean that
> you must master a zillion complexities before you can be productive with
> Emacs. You'll be productive within a few minutes.
>
>
>
>   
Thanks for all your replies , it is greatly appriciate !
I think I know where I can begin with Emacs !
Thanks again !
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> help-gnu-emacs mailing list
> help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs
>
>   

RE: Any good stuff for emacs study ?

[Drew Adams]

    Thanks for all your replies , it is greatly appriciate !
    I think I know where I can begin with Emacs !

You're welcome.

Another tip, for posting to mailing lists:

Include just enough of a message you reply to to help readers understand the
context. In particular, unless it is needed for clarity, avoid copying a
long message and adding just a line or two below it. Thanks.

Re: Any good stuff for emacs study ?

[Bastien]

Bo Yang <struggleyb@gmail.com> writes:

> I want to use emacs as my first editor because I heard that it is very
> flexible and can be used to edit many lauguage as well as be used as
> mail client and many many others .  But the manual at gnu is too long to
> read completely as a tutorial , and is there any good book or manual to
> begin with ?

Don't miss this huge ressource : <http://www.emacswiki.org>

-- 
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Re: Any good stuff for emacs study ?

[Pawel]

Bastien writes:
 > Bo Yang <struggleyb@gmail.com> writes:
 > 
 > > I want to use emacs as my first editor because I heard that it is very
 > > flexible and can be used to edit many lauguage as well as be used as
 > > mail client and many many others .  But the manual at gnu is too long to
 > > read completely as a tutorial , and is there any good book or manual to
 > > begin with ?
 > 
 > Don't miss this huge ressource : <http://www.emacswiki.org>
 > 
 > -- 
 > Bastien
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 > help-gnu-emacs mailing list
 > help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
 > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs
 > 

Then, if You play a while with it, try elisp, which is a language emacs was written in.
There is great manual (very easy to understand) for that:
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-lisp-intro/html_node/index.html

I read it and I must say that it opens even larger door to that what is meant by "flexible".

Re: Any good stuff for emacs study ?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Bastien <bastien@xxx.fr>
> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:24:12 +0200
> 
> Don't miss this huge ressource : <http://www.emacswiki.org>

And don't miss the huge resource that is the user manual.  While
reading it in its entirety is not recommended, looking up subject via
the `i' command is _the_ most efficient way of finding information
about various Emacs features.

`i' missing in etc/refcard.tex (was: Any good stuff for emacs study ?)

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, May 12 2006, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
[ on help-gnu-emacs; directing this to emacs-devel ]

> And don't miss the huge resource that is the user manual.  While
> reading it in its entirety is not recommended, looking up subject via
> the `i' command is _the_ most efficient way of finding information
> about various Emacs features.

ACK.

I'm quite surprised that the Reference Card doesn't mention `i'.
Additionally, I'd suggest to write `s' instead of `M-s' for
`Info-search' in the reference card.

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
--- refcard.tex	06 Feb 2006 13:12:46 +0100	1.13
+++ refcard.tex	02 May 2006 17:32:00 +0200	
@@ -598,8 +598,9 @@
 Other:
 
 \key{run Info {\bf tutorial}}{h}
+\key{look up a string in the index}{i}
+\key{search nodes for regexp}{s}
 \key{{\bf quit} Info}{q}
-\key{search nodes for regexp}{M-s}
 
 \endindentedkeys
 
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

If approved, I could make similar changes to de-refcard.tex and
fr-refcard.tex.  I doubt that I can fix cs-refcard.tex,
pl-refcard.tex, ru-refcard.tex and sk-refcard.tex, but I could contact
the translators.

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Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex (was: Any good stuff for emacs study ?)

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc>
> Cc: <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 14:53:22 +0200
> 
> I'm quite surprised that the Reference Card doesn't mention `i'.

It's worth adding, IMHO.

> +\key{look up a string in the index}{i}
                  ^^^^^^
I think "subject or phrase" is better than just "string".

Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Reiner Steib]

On Fri, May 12 2006, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> From: Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc>
>> 
>> I'm quite surprised that the Reference Card doesn't mention `i'.
>
> It's worth adding, IMHO.
>
>> +\key{look up a string in the index}{i}
>                   ^^^^^^
> I think "subject or phrase" is better than just "string".

Agreed.

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Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex (was: Any good stuff for emacs study ?)

[Richard Stallman]

    I'm quite surprised that the Reference Card doesn't mention `i'.

Is there room for it?
If you add it, does the refcard still format properly
in the intended number of pages?

Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex (was: Any good stuff for emacs study ?)

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> CC: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 00:52:59 -0400
> 
>     I'm quite surprised that the Reference Card doesn't mention `i'.
> 
> Is there room for it?
> If you add it, does the refcard still format properly
> in the intended number of pages?

If adding `i' causes the refcard to become overfull, I think we should
_replace_ the "\key{search nodes for regexp}{M-s}" entry with an entry
that describes the `i' command, since the latter is by far more
important than the former.

Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex (was: Any good stuff for emacs study ?)

[Richard Stallman]

    If adding `i' causes the refcard to become overfull, I think we should
    _replace_ the "\key{search nodes for regexp}{M-s}" entry with an entry
    that describes the `i' command, since the latter is by far more
    important than the former.

Maybe you are right.  However, it would be hard to change the translations
soon.  So let's leave this for later.

Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Kevin Rodgers]

Richard Stallman wrote:
>     If adding `i' causes the refcard to become overfull, I think we should
>     _replace_ the "\key{search nodes for regexp}{M-s}" entry with an entry
>     that describes the `i' command, since the latter is by far more
>     important than the former.
> 
> Maybe you are right.  However, it would be hard to change the translations
> soon.  So let's leave this for later.

Hard?  There are only 6 translations of etc/refcard.tex (cs, de, fr, pl,
ru, and sk).  I submitted the following to 5 different online
translation services:

	I said, "Look up a subject in the indices."

and got the following results:

de (German)	Ich sagte, "schauen Sie oben ein Thema in den Indizes."
		Ich habe gesagt, "Aussehen auf ein Thema in den Indizes".
		Ich sagte, „schauen Sie oben ein Thema in den Indizes.“
		Ich sagte, "Schlagen Sie ein Thema in den Indizes Nach."
		Ich sagte, "schauen Sie oben ein Thema in den Indizes."

fr (French)	J'ai dit, "recherchez un sujet dans les index."
		J'ai dit, « le Regard en haut un sujet dans les index. »
		J'ai dit, « recherchez un sujet dans les index. »
		J'ai dit, "Cherchez un sujet dans l'indices."
		J'ai dit, "recherchez un sujet dans les index."

ru (Russian)	Я сказал, "посмотрите вверх вопрос в индексах."
		Я сказал, " Ищите предмет в индексах. "
		Я сказал, «посмотрите вверх вопрос в индексах.»
		Я сказал, "Ищите предмет в индексах."
		Я сказал, "посмотрите вверх вопрос в индексах."

Surely the native German, French, and Russian speakers on this list can
agree on the best translation.  That leaves just cs (Czech), pl 
(Polish), and sk (Slovak).

(I hoped that the direct quote and imperative voice would make it simple
to extract the relevant part of the translation.  Also, perhaps "topic"
would be better than "subject" and/or "index" better than "indices", but
the Info manual itself uses "subject" and "indices".)

-- 
Kevin

Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[David Kastrup]

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Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> writes:

> Richard Stallman wrote:
>>     If adding `i' causes the refcard to become overfull, I think we should
>>     _replace_ the "\key{search nodes for regexp}{M-s}" entry with an entry
>>     that describes the `i' command, since the latter is by far more
>>     important than the former.
>>
>> Maybe you are right.  However, it would be hard to change the translations
>> soon.  So let's leave this for later.
>
> Hard?  There are only 6 translations of etc/refcard.tex (cs, de, fr, pl,
> ru, and sk).  I submitted the following to 5 different online
> translation services:
>
> 	I said, "Look up a subject in the indices."
>
> and got the following results:
>
> de (German)	Ich sagte, "schauen Sie oben ein Thema in den Indizes."
> 		Ich habe gesagt, "Aussehen auf ein Thema in den Indizes".
> 		Ich sagte, „schauen Sie oben ein Thema in den Indizes.“
> 		Ich sagte, "Schlagen Sie ein Thema in den Indizes Nach."
> 		Ich sagte, "schauen Sie oben ein Thema in den Indizes."
>
> fr (French)	J'ai dit, "recherchez un sujet dans les index."
> 		J'ai dit, « le Regard en haut un sujet dans les index. »
> 		J'ai dit, « recherchez un sujet dans les index. »
> 		J'ai dit, "Cherchez un sujet dans l'indices."
> 		J'ai dit, "recherchez un sujet dans les index."
>
> ru (Russian)	Я сказал, "посмотрите вверх вопрос в индексах."
> 		Я сказал, " Ищите предмет в индексах. "
> 		Я сказал, «посмотрите вверх вопрос в индексах.»
> 		Я сказал, "Ищите предмет в индексах."
> 		Я сказал, "посмотрите вверх вопрос в индексах."
>
> Surely the native German, French, and Russian speakers on this list
> can agree on the best translation.

Can't speak for Russian, but for German and French certainly the
native speakers will agree that the above "translations" are
intolerable.

There is little sense in "agreeing" on a single sentence translation
when it is easy enough _giving_ such a sentence.

> That leaves just cs (Czech), pl (Polish), and sk (Slovak).
>
> (I hoped that the direct quote and imperative voice would make it
> simple to extract the relevant part of the translation.

That is assuming that the imperative voice would be the correct choice
for such a table.  Which would be wrong in most languages _including_
English AFAICT (it's just that in English many forms look the same).

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Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:51:33 +0200
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> Can't speak for Russian, but for German and French certainly the
> native speakers will agree that the above "translations" are
> intolerable.

Russian translations are similarly awful.

Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Reiner Steib]

On Mon, May 15 2006, Kevin Rodgers wrote:

> Richard Stallman wrote:
>>     If adding `i' causes the refcard to become overfull, I think we should
>>     _replace_ the "\key{search nodes for regexp}{M-s}" entry with an entry
>>     that describes the `i' command, since the latter is by far more
>>     important than the former.
>>
>> Maybe you are right.  However, it would be hard to change the translations
>> soon.  So let's leave this for later.
>
> Hard?  There are only 6 translations of etc/refcard.tex (cs, de, fr, pl,
> ru, and sk).  

Even if we can't translate all, we should install the others.  (I
already volunteered to contact the translators in my initial mail.)

> I submitted the following to 5 different online translation
> services: [...]

All of these German translation are all nonsense.  ;-)

> Surely the native German, French, and Russian speakers on this list
> can agree on the best translation.  That leaves just cs (Czech), pl
> (Polish), and sk (Slovak).

Here are suggestion for English, German and French if the plural
"indices" should be used:

--- refcard.tex	5 Feb 2006 23:44:47 -0000	1.13
+++ refcard.tex	15 May 2006 17:42:14 -0000
@@ -598,8 +598,9 @@
 Other:
 
 \key{run Info {\bf tutorial}}{h}
+\key{look up a subject in the indices}{i}
+\key{search nodes for regexp}{s}
 \key{{\bf quit} Info}{q}
-\key{search nodes for regexp}{M-s}
 
 \endindentedkeys
 
--- de-refcard.tex	5 Feb 2006 23:44:47 -0000	1.7
+++ de-refcard.tex	15 May 2006 17:42:13 -0000
@@ -563,9 +563,9 @@
 Sonstige:
 
 \key{Info {\bf Tutorial} starten}{h}
-\key{Info Befehle zeigen}{?}
+\key{Begriff in den Indices suchen}{i}
+\key{Knoten nach reg. Ausd. durchsuchen}{s}
 \key{Info {\bf verlassen} }{q}
-\key{Knoten nach reg. Ausd. durchsuchen}{M-s}
 
 \endindentedkeys
 
--- fr-refcard.tex	5 Feb 2006 23:44:47 -0000	1.11
+++ fr-refcard.tex	15 May 2006 17:42:13 -0000
@@ -588,8 +588,9 @@
 Autres :
 
 \key{lancer le {\bf didacticiel} Info}{h}
+\key{recherchez un sujet dans les index}{i}
+\key{rechercher les n\oe{}uds avec une expression rationnelle}{s}
 \key{{\bf quitter} Info}{q}
-\key{rechercher les n\oe{}uds avec une expression rationnelle}{M-s}
 
 \endindentedkeys

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Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Michaël Cadilhac]

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Reiner Steib <reinersteib+gmane@imap.cc> writes:

> Here are suggestion for English, German and French if the plural
> "indices" should be used:
> [...]
> --- fr-refcard.tex	5 Feb 2006 23:44:47 -0000	1.11
> +++ fr-refcard.tex	15 May 2006 17:42:13 -0000
> @@ -588,8 +588,9 @@
>  Autres :
>
>  \key{lancer le {\bf didacticiel} Info}{h}
> +\key{recherchez un sujet dans les index}{i}

  « recherche*r* un sujet dans les index*es* ». But I don't see why
  the plural is used here, I'd rather write:
  « rechercher un sujet dans l'index ».

> +\key{rechercher les n\oe{}uds avec une expression rationnelle}{s}
>  \key{{\bf quitter} Info}{q}
> -\key{rechercher les n\oe{}uds avec une expression rationnelle}{M-s}
>
>  \endindentedkeys

   Regards,

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Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Stefan Monnier]

>   « recherche*r* un sujet dans les index*es* ». But I don't see why
>   the plural is used here, I'd rather write:
>   « rechercher un sujet dans l'index ».

I'd just say "chercher dans l'index"


        Stefan

Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Michaël Cadilhac]

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Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>   « recherche*r* un sujet dans les index*es* ». But I don't see why
                                      (My bad, it's « index »)

>>   the plural is used here, I'd rather write:
>>   « rechercher un sujet dans l'index ».
>
> I'd just say "chercher dans l'index"

  The shorter, the simpler, the better :-)

  However, if it's a « recherche », you'd say « *re*chercher dans
  l'index »

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Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Stefan Monnier]

>>> « recherche*r* un sujet dans les index*es* ». But I don't see why
>                                       (My bad, it's « index »)
>>> the plural is used here, I'd rather write:
>>> « rechercher un sujet dans l'index ».
>> I'd just say "chercher dans l'index"
>   The shorter, the simpler, the better :-)

Well, not sure.

>   However, if it's a « recherche », you'd say « *re*chercher dans
>   l'index »

No.


        Stefan

Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Reiner Steib]

On Mon, May 15 2006, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>>   « recherche*r* un sujet dans les index*es* ». But I don't see why
>>   the plural is used here, I'd rather write:
>>   « rechercher un sujet dans l'index ».
>
> I'd just say "chercher dans l'index"

My intend was to keep it similar to the `M-s'/`s' (Info-search) entry
(but I forgot to s/recherchez/recherches/).  But that isn't necessary,
or we could shorten both lines.

Anyhow, my French is quite rusty, so it's up to the native speakers...

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Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Werner LEMBERG]

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> 	I said, "Look up a subject in the indices."
> 
> and got the following results:
> 
> de (German)	Ich sagte, "schauen Sie oben ein Thema in den Indizes."
> 		Ich habe gesagt, "Aussehen auf ein Thema in den Indizes".
> 		Ich sagte, „schauen Sie oben ein Thema in den Indizes.“
> 		Ich sagte, "Schlagen Sie ein Thema in den Indizes Nach."
> 		Ich sagte, "schauen Sie oben ein Thema in den Indizes."

None of the German translation is really good.  I suggest:

  suche Index-Eintrag


    Werner

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Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Slawomir Nowaczyk]

On Mon, 15 May 2006 11:14:51 -0600
Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> wrote:

#> 	I said, "Look up a subject in the indices."
#> <snip>
#> Surely the native German, French, and Russian speakers on this list
#> can agree on the best translation. That leaves just cs (Czech), pl
#> (Polish), and sk (Slovak).

In Polish, it would probably be: "wyszukaj zagadnienie w indeksach"

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Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Reiner Steib]

On Sat, May 13 2006, Richard Stallman wrote:

>     If adding `i' causes the refcard to become overfull, I think we should
>     _replace_ the "\key{search nodes for regexp}{M-s}" entry with an entry
>     that describes the `i' command, since the latter is by far more
>     important than the former.
>
> Maybe you are right.  However, it would be hard to change the translations
> soon.  So let's leave this for later.

We already have translations for de, fr, pl and Eli can provide ru
(CMIIW).  For the missing translations (cs, pt-br and sk) I'd suggest
to add:
% \key{look up a subject in the indices}{i} % FIXME

As you want to ask maintainers of refcard translations to update them
independent from this suggestion, I think it we should add `i' now.
May I install?

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Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Richard Stallman]

    As you want to ask maintainers of refcard translations to update them
    independent from this suggestion, I think it we should add `i' now.
    May I install?

Ok, if you contact the maintainers of the other translations
and verify that they update these translations soon.

Re: `i' missing in etc/refcard.tex

[Reiner Steib]

On Sat, May 13 2006, Richard Stallman wrote:

>     I'm quite surprised that the Reference Card doesn't mention `i'.
>
> Is there room for it?
> If you add it, does the refcard still format properly
> in the intended number of pages?

I couldn't run (la)tex on all translations [1], but one additional
line in that section would not create an additional page in any,
AFAICS.

Bye, Reiner.

[1] cs and sk failed
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Re: Any good stuff for emacs study ?

[Gary Wessle]

Bo Yang <struggleyb@gmail.com> writes:

> I want to use emacs as my first editor because I heard that it is very
> flexible
> and can be used to edit many lauguage as well as be used as mail client and
> many many others .
> But the manual at gnu is too long to read completely as a tutorial , and
> is there
> any good book or manual to begin with ?
> 
> Thanks in advance !

I was in your position not too long ago, use Learning GNU Emacs by
Debra Cameron, James Elliott, "O'Reilly ISBN 0596006489" third
edition.