From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Starting pretest Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:01:19 +0200 Message-ID: <851wpxp20w.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87ac4nhbrh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <85hcyuvcol.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1159383762 16811 80.91.229.2 (27 Sep 2006 19:02:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 19:02:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 27 21:02:41 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSefE-0005V8-0X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:01:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSefD-0002Aa-EI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:01:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSef1-0002AG-8V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:01:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1GSeez-00029k-Mw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:01:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1GSeez-00029h-K2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:01:33 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1GSeju-0001BM-Ed for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:06:38 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1GSeer-0005FP-VY; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 15:01:26 -0400 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id A3B161C133CA; Wed, 27 Sep 2006 21:01:19 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed\, 27 Sep 2006 14\:43\:37 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:60284 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > Quite a few are more like "misfeature fixes": they improve Emacs > in case that indeed there _is_ a useful fix. But on some of > those, the jury more or less is out, and the attempts to improve > things don't lead to a satisfactory situation before several > iterations. > > Which of the things that have been in FOR-RELEASE since Sep 1 do you > think fit that description? Well, I don't have an actual clue about when these problems started appearing. And there has been "fixing" going on for a _lot_ that is not in FOR-RELEASE. >>From the list in FOR-RELEASE, I'd guess the following: * WINDOWS SUPPORT BUGS. These don't need to be fixed to start pretest, but we call the attention of Windows users to fixing them. ** henman@it.to-be.co.jp 09 Aug 2006: ispell.el problem on Cygwin. (Did we decide that is unreproducible?) Bug, not misfeature, but likely old? ** kitty@dre.vanderbilt.edu Sep 20 says make-frame ignores left and top. Same here. * BUGS ** yamane@green.ocn.ne.jp: smtpmail.el bug involving base64 encoding. Bug, likely old. ** C-p works properly with fields within the line, but C-n does not. (ken.manheimer@gmail.com, Sep 24.) ** Should end-of-line get stuck at end of a field? Both of those are either old misfeatures, or introduced by turning one old misfeature into a new one. ** Text copied between font-lock buffers doesn't refontify because of properties that are preserved. May be fixed now? Likely old. ** Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE, Sep 21: An iso-8859-6 cannot be saved No idea. ** XIM hotkey doesn't work in Emacs. Likely old. People that work on those things would have more of a clue whether these are regressions or rather something that was broken before already. And the field movement stuff _clearly_ was of the sort which is not helping towards a pretest, since a behavior that was seemingly not satisfactory has been replaced by other behaviors which are seemingly not satisfactory, and it takes time for the complaints to register. It was a change of overall strategy, and we don't want those right now. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum