From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Shift selection using interactive spec Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:33:13 +0100 Message-ID: <851w5vti9y.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <87k5k69p92.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87bq5gytbi.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <8763vndi0r.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <87hcf6ratt.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <878x0if9ul.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87od9e9gnx.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87skyo5bvk.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87skynrin5.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87iqzju0lq.fsf@kfs-lx.rd.rdm> <851w5xx5ya.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87ve3993dt.fsf@jurta.org> <47EA37C7.7080502@gmail.com> <47EADCC4.2000207@gmail.com> <87iqz7wx7n.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206689621 12244 80.91.229.12 (28 Mar 2008 07:33:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:33:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lennart.borgman@gmail.com, jared@hpalace.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 28 08:34:11 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jf96I-0005JK-Qf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:34:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jf95h-0006jN-7g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:33:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jf95b-0006gl-W4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:33:28 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jf95a-0006dK-Hr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:33:27 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jf95a-0006dB-9c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:33:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jf95V-0001fU-3b; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:33:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-08.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.48]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jf95U-00024I-8E; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 03:33:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.13]) by mail-in-08.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241BB27B081; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:33:19 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (mail-in-06.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.46]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09AF92BF591; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:33:18 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from lola.goethe.zz (dslb-084-061-051-029.pools.arcor-ip.net [84.61.51.29]) by mail-in-06.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D4835E6AE; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:33:18 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 22A7B1C4CE00; Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:33:13 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87iqz7wx7n.fsf@jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Fri, 28 Mar 2008 01:52:20 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/6433/Fri Mar 28 00:58:26 2008 on mail-in-06.arcor-online.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-detected-kernel: by mx20.gnu.org: Linux 2.4-2.6 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93683 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: >> Yes, but the problem here is rather that you may need to redefine which >> commands should deactivate the mark. Doing that with a symbol property >> makes it much more flexible. >> >> Why is it important to be able change whether a command deactivates >> the mark without changing the command itself? > > As the users of cua-selection-mode already testified on this thread, > it is important for them to be able to tune this feature for some > commands. Because the commands are not prepared for "this feature". The solution is to make them support the feature straightforwardly, not with covert properties tacked on as an afterthought. > And the easiest way to do this is to change properties. I am not concerned about the easiest, but an appropriate way. > Since there were complaints that property lists are "hidden" from > users, I propose the following patch to display them in the output of > `describe-function' and `describe-variable'. Properties are not part of either variable or function. They are part of the symbol. Lisp is Lisp, and Scheme is Scheme. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum