From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: usability problem of emacs describe-mode Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:32:09 +0100 Organization: Organization?!? Message-ID: <851vtjy3ae.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <76fcf833-ad89-44f2-b227-e18295317ca2@p13g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <449684df-6b26-4350-ba76-7316960370b3@r15g2000prh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1235770967 22502 80.91.229.12 (27 Feb 2009 21:42:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:42:47 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 27 22:44:03 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LdAUn-0001N5-4t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 22:43:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45474 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LdATR-0006FL-57 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:42:25 -0500 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!news.glorb.com!news2.glorb.com!news.doubleslash.org!open-news-network.org!news.teledata-fn.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool3.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp X-Face: 2FEFf>]>q>2iw=B6, xrUubRI>pR&Ml9=ao@P@i)L:\urd*t9M~y1^:+Y]'C0~{mAl`oQuAl \!3KEIp?*w`|bL5qr,H)LFO6Q=qx~iH4DN; i"; /yuIsqbLLCh/!U#X[S~(5eZ41to5f%E@'ELIi$t^ Vc\LWP@J5p^rst0+('>Er0=^1{]M9!p?&:\z]|;&=NP3AhB!B_bi^]Pfkw User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4Cfq6eT1Ci2FOkv+ahGSCt0T8qs= Original-Lines: 63 Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 2009 22:32:14 CET Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 8bdd00b5.newsspool2.arcor-online.net Original-X-Trace: DXC=F\>JAIJGTiPAX0F2i>X Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:167150 comp.emacs:97880 comp.lang.lisp:261924 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:62452 Archived-At: Xah Lee writes: > His technical, coding, contribution is unquestionably a positive > contribution. His “free” software movement is, however, questionable. > The reason that society recognized this social contribution, is > partly, if not significantly, due to the fact that he is successful in > spreading his philosophy. For example, to illustrate, if Hitler was > successful, today he would be a hero, leader, founder, as opposed to a > criminal. As another illustration, if US lost the war to UK, then the > “founding fathers” of US would be considered criminals today who got > punished by death. In fact, many of the leaders in the US at the time > is doing quite morally questionable things besides treason. > > Richard Stallman, also did some morally questionable things before he > started FSF. In one perspective, you can consider him a software > criminal. Lucky for him that at the time there was no software law > yet. Huh? What did he do according to your overboarding fantasy? He started the free software movement exactly so that he would not be forced to choose between morals and laws. > Else, he'd be in jail before he had a chance to mouth his > manifesto. For what offense? > So, in this perspective, he is someone who breaks the law, got dissed > by MIT, got pissed, with vengeance he starts the FSF to recoup his > ego. > > The above is one perspective. A perspective neutral, where human > animal's behavior is considered foremost sans a context of any > particular moral system. Hogwash. Without a context of a moral system _and_ without existing laws (which you claim did not exist at that time) _and_ without having broken any law, calling somebody a criminal ist not "neutral", but rather idiotic. > I have thought about how to remedy this situation for few minutes > yesterday, but didn't see any solution or conclusion. Others have thought about those issues for decades. Do you really not understand that statements like those make you appear like a pompous fool without the slightest clue what he is talking about? > The above paragraph is a bit of rambling. In any case, i do doubt the > necessity for FSF to require the paper work. Maybe it was important in > 1990s or earlier, but probably not today. I even question if it was > necessary in the 1990s. For example, there was BSD's license. Look, you don't even understand the difference between license types and software ownership. It does not matter what license you pick: the only party allowed to press for compliance is the copyright holder. Via authorship or assignment. > No, i didn't have a bad day. I get very irritated by idiots, How do you manage to shave? Mirrors must be very annoying to you. -- David Kastrup