From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Software/HD ecology Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:41:46 +0100 Organization: University of Dortmund, Germany Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <84pts1nfs5.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> References: <041220020952400758%ajanta@no.spam> <84bs3xsyi8.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> <071220021155280606%ajanta@no.spam> <5ld6obj8il.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <101220021125583826%ajanta@no.spam> <111220021253524057%ajanta@no.spam> <5l65u0i8zj.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <111220022053507599%ajanta@no.spam> <84k7ifo3s2.fsf@lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> <121220021324043990%ajanta@no.spam> <121220021419243187%anil@null.invalid> <161220021454522181%ajanta@no.spam> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1040121213 20651 80.91.224.249 (17 Dec 2002 10:33:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 10:33:33 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18OF2a-0005Ms-00 for ; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:33:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18OF0J-0006YT-05 for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 17 Dec 2002 05:31:11 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.fjserv.net!proxad.net!news.tiscali.fr!deine.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.DE!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.text.tex,gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 14 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de (134.91.35.216) Original-X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1040120971 728467 134.91.35.216 (16 [73968]) User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.2.93 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Cancel-Lock: sha1:r78v6Lp/rN/dbgP8JAe6skeJMoI= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu comp.sys.mac.apps:349109 gnu.emacs.help:108211 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:4740 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:4740 Ajanta writes: > When I run a command like "ls -l file" I can get a lot of information > about a file's type, size, ownership, date created/modified. Whether > that qualifies as a "log" to somebody or not is a rather dull semantic > issue. The system does store and update information on files. The "ownership" does NOT tell you whether the file belongs to Emacs or to another program. (At least, not in general.) So you need something in addition to the "log" that comes standard with Unix. -- ~/.signature is: umop ap!sdn (Frank Nobis)