From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: New Emacs with GTK! Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:42:47 +0100 Organization: University of Duisburg, Germany Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <84isu7n2vs.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> References: <87vfyai2ur.fsf@wassern.consult-meyers.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1048589674 31889 80.91.224.249 (25 Mar 2003 10:54:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 25 11:54:33 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18xlwg-0007Wc-00 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:46:18 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18xlvg-0005ND-0A for gnu-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2003 05:45:17 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!headwall.stanford.edu!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!pd9e1e08e.dip.t-dialin.NET!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 23 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: pd9e1e08e.dip.t-dialin.net (217.225.224.142) Original-X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1048588996 80069895 217.225.224.142 (16 [73968]) User-Agent: Gnus/5.090016 (Oort Gnus v0.16) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UsmmaOjFqnrel3M3SOU1Q+T6yDw= Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:111373 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:7875 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:7875 Niels Freimann writes: > However one thing must be clear: Any future development > must place gtk into the very center. emacs must become fully > compatible with modern desktop environments. It must provide > all the dialogs known to the people by other GUI programs, and > any relicts of the text mode past must disappear. Emacs must > look and feel like any other gnome, kde, or window, application. Please don't. Emacs feels different, and that is part of its power. Many applications use Ctrl-S to save, and Ctrl-F to search, but Emacs uses C-s to search, and C-f is occupied by moving right one character. I do not object to adding stuff to Emacs, and I do not object to removing support for things that are no longer needed, but your suggestion of radically changing Emacs is not good. Emacs has been Emacs since 1985 or so, and that's good. I want Emacs to be Emacs in 2015, too! In particular, text mode is a *very* useful thing. Not everybody needs it, perhaps, but those who do need it, need it badly. -- A preposition is not a good thing to end a sentence with.