From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: kai.grossjohann@uni-duisburg.de (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: scrollbar (again) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:39:26 +0100 Organization: University of Duisburg, Germany Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <84fzp7bdbl.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> References: <200303281629.KAA28551@eel.dms.auburn.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1048873974 23857 80.91.224.249 (28 Mar 2003 17:52:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 17:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 28 18:52:53 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18yy29-0006Cf-00 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:52:53 +0100 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 18yy4c-0006tW-00 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:55:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yxyu-00060d-07 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:49:32 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yxxW-0005Ua-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:48:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yxwO-0004o6-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:46:57 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.224.249]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 18yxpn-0002H6-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:40:07 -0500 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18yxpf-0005Hi-00 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:39:59 +0100 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from news by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18yxpb-0005H9-00 for ; Fri, 28 Mar 2003 18:39:55 +0100 Original-Lines: 23 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.090017 (Oort Gnus v0.17) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:TSPZh+Ic2x3JoeIHD4wNqK/ZXIs= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12714 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12714 Luc Teirlinck writes: > Click with mouse-2 on the thumb (or slider, whatever you want to call > it) in the lower portion of the thumb, but clearly inside the thumb. > The idea is to start dragging the thumb around. However, the buffer > immediately scrolls to some far away area. IIRC, the behavior in the no-toolkit case is similar to xterm. That is, the top of the thumb will be warped to where you clicked mouse-2. I agree that this makes it difficult to start dragging. It's something I don't like about this kind of scrollbar. Nevertheless, I think it's still the best scrollbar there is, functionality-wise. I also used to like the OpenView (XView? OpenLook?) scrollbar that was used in OpenWindows applications of yore. It made it easier to drag but didn't have the nifty "scroll N lines" feature that the no-toolkit scrollbar has. These days, I rarely use the scrollbar and thus circumvent the problem... -- A preposition is not a good thing to end a sentence with.