From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai =?iso-8859-1?q?Gro=DFjohann?=) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 8859 unification and Emacs' ChangeLog files Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:58:11 +0200 Organization: University of Duisburg, Germany Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <84el4imnbw.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> References: <848yuy3xab.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> <200303310045.JAA14857@etlken.m17n.org> <8465pvo793.fsf@lucy.is.informatik.uni-duisburg.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1049464762 11675 80.91.224.249 (4 Apr 2003 13:59:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:59:22 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 04 15:59:21 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 191Riy-000327-00 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:59:20 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 191Rl3-0001K0-00 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 16:01:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 191Rj1-0005dS-01 for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:59:23 -0500 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 191Ria-0005d1-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:58:56 -0500 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 191RiY-0005Wl-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:58:55 -0500 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.224.249]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 191RiX-0005Ri-00 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 08:58:53 -0500 Original-Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 191RiB-0002wa-00 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:58:31 +0200 Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: from news by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 191RiA-0002wQ-00 for ; Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:58:30 +0200 Original-Lines: 37 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.090018 (Oort Gnus v0.18) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:EH4H1flevi/euDI1WEh9iwcWPWo= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:12895 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:12895 Jason Rumney writes: > kai.grossjohann@gmx.net (Kai Großjohann) writes: > >> But if all Emacs developers enable unify-8859-on-decoding-mode, then >> this is not a problem anymore. > > It is still a problem, because some users will end up saving all > Latin characters unified to Latin-1 while others will save all > unified to Latin-2 etc. So there will be a lot of unnecessary changed > lines in each checkin. Oh, I didn't know that the preferred encoding is influenced by the language environment. Hm. >> Or the ChangeLog files could be stored as UTF-8. > > This could certainly work, if we think UTF-8 support in Emacs now is > good enough to handle it reliably. OK. >> Of course, there might be other files where iso-8859 characters might >> be present in different encodings. Is it right to say that these >> files must be encoded in iso-2022 or in emacs-mule, because no other >> encodings distinguish between Latin-1 ä and Latin-2 ä, say? > > Yes, many of the files in leim, lisp/international and lisp/language > need to make the distinction between different Latin charsets. Really? Why? If *all* of Emacs treats all `ä's as the same, why do these files then need to make the distinction? But I guess that even with unify-8859-on-decoding-mode, maybe Emacs does not treat all `ä's as the same. Hm. -- A preposition is not a good thing to end a sentence with.