From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Uwe Siart Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10254: 24.0.92; Local variable bibtex-dialect has no effect Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:41:22 +0100 Message-ID: <84boqa4u7h.fsf@tum.de> References: <844nxakxtd.fsf@tum.de> <4EE32275.26106.E38FFC3@uwe.siart.tum.de> <2rfwfoz6w2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20236.33909.640904.783097@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Reply-To: uwe.siart@tum.de NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1326264168 13078 80.91.229.12 (11 Jan 2012 06:42:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 06:42:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 10254@debbugs.gnu.org To: "Roland Winkler" Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 11 07:42:44 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RkrtT-0006pI-RM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:42:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59899 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RkrtT-0000ts-C8 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:42:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:43365) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RkrtQ-0000tl-Qa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:42:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RkrtP-0000W1-V7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:42:40 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58461) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RkrtP-0000Vx-SO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:42:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rkrtm-0003ZB-Vh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:43:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Uwe Siart Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 06:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10254 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 10254-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B10254.132626412513649 (code B ref 10254); Wed, 11 Jan 2012 06:43:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 10254) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Jan 2012 06:42:05 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53134 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rkrsp-0003Y5-U9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:42:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de ([129.187.254.102]:44927) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Rkrsl-0003Xb-1e for 10254@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 01:42:00 -0500 Original-Received: from postout2.mail.lrz.de ([10.156.6.19] [10.156.6.19]) by mailrelay2.lrz-muenchen.de with ESMTP; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:41:27 +0100 Original-Received: from PEGASUS (h104.tum.vpn.lrz.de [129.187.173.104]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by postout2.mail.lrz.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 93DEFA4129; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 07:41:25 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <20236.33909.640904.783097@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (Roland Winkler's message of "Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:33:25 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.92 (windows-nt) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:55630 Archived-At: "Roland Winkler" writes: > Do you want to use buffer-local values of bibtex-dialect because you > do have multiple BibTeX files, some of which use one BibTeX dialect, > others use another dialect? Exactly, yes. > Such a scenario is somewhat orthogonal to the general notion of BibTeX > that should provide one database that is used for all LaTeX documents. Surely I use centrally managed bibfiles. They reside in ~/texmf/bibtex/bib/siart. Since I do not like one huge monolithic bibfile my database is split across several files where each file is dedicated to a certain topic. But with a bibfile local to a certain document BibTeX is also much superior to filling {thebibliography} by hand. But this is not the point here. The point is that classical bibstyles and biblatex are not compatible at bibfile level. A bibfile can only be used either for bibstyles or for biblatex. In my case mostly due to the different handling of the month and language fields. It is IMO not a rare case that one has to use both biblatex and bibstyles. If I need to implement a certain requirement for the bibliography that can only be solved by biblatex (e.g. a particular sorting scheme) I will need to create a bibfile for biblatex. On the other hand I can not simply throw away all the achivements of classical bibstyle. Moreover, if a publisher provides a template bibstyle I have to use it. No way to convince a publisher to switch his workflow to biblatex immediately. So I am in a situation where I have to manage both bibtex dialects at the same time in different files. I don't think that this is really against the BibTeX paradigm. It's just that we now have both options (bibstyle and biblatex) and they are not compatible. > Also, I do not consider this a bug. In my opinion, it's more a missing > feature. I got your point and I fully agree. I never meant to decide whether it is a bug or not. At the time when I filed a bug report I just observed that setting a buffer-local variable had no effect while click in the menue worked. This looked like a bug to me at that time. -- Uwe