From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Peter Dyballa Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs 23 scrollbar behavior Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:44:48 +0100 Message-ID: <84D43056-81A4-47A3-8397-5887DEE21452@Web.DE> References: <4B9A1954.3090000@sun.com> <6A2DE4FE-D92F-42A3-90BF-0C9D4DB521FC@Web.DE> <4B9A6496.8030100@sun.com> <5D5942FA-1B74-46ED-A7F8-1EE24AC93A8C@Web.DE> <4B9E0EEB.1080206@sun.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1268682328 12443 80.91.229.12 (15 Mar 2010 19:45:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:45:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Ingo_Str=FCwing?= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 15 20:45:24 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrGE7-0000MC-Qz for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:45:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39933 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NrGE7-0006qe-8q for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:45:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NrGDi-0006qL-D8 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:44:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=60119 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NrGDg-0006px-JB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:44:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrGDc-00050g-9p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:44:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fmmailgate03.web.de ([217.72.192.234]:42498) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NrGDb-00050R-RH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:44:52 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp05.web.de (fmsmtp05.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.4.166]) by fmmailgate03.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6358144AC5D7; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:44:49 +0100 (CET) Original-Received: from [91.35.178.198] (helo=[192.168.1.2]) by smtp05.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE 4.110 #4) id 1NrGDZ-0001bt-00; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 20:44:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4B9E0EEB.1080206@sun.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-Sender: Peter_Dyballa@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18RpgEwYPU8jGiQkHqDRkdZuUQs/j40QddzN0Rh dB13rcS1lOYPUVVeC2f3nIjUJzvO5SNiJ5zZXK89YHSO7AuN5H j8D7odSL864wWE1n3QYQ== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:72435 Archived-At: Am 15.03.2010 um 11:41 schrieb Ingo Str=FCwing: >> You can check with lsof which libraries are really used this =20 >> moment... > > > Besides others it shows these: > > /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0.1800.3 > /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0.2600.0 > /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0.1800.3 > /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0.1800.3 > > I'd say it uses GTK. No. These come in because GNU Emacs uses librsvg2. Look what my Xaw3d =20= version uses: /opt/local/lib/libbz2.1.0.5.dylib /opt/local/lib/libcairo.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libcroco-0.6.3.0.1.dylib /opt/local/lib/libexpat.1.5.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libfontconfig.1.dylib /opt/local/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgif.4.1.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgio-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libglib-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgmodule-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgobject-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgsf-1.114.dylib /opt/local/lib/libICE.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libiconv.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libintl.8.0.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libjpeg.7.dylib /opt/local/lib/libncurses.5.dylib /opt/local/lib/libotf.0.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libpango-1.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libpixman-1.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libpng12.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/librsvg-2.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libSM.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libtiff.3.dylib /opt/local/lib/libX11.6.3.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXau.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXaw3d.8.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXdmcp.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXext.6.4.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXft.2.1.13.dylib /opt/local/lib/libxml2.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXmu.6.2.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXp.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXpm.4.11.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXrender.1.3.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXt.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libz.1.2.3.dylib And it's not a GTK client because I configured, compiled, and =20 installed it and when I invoke the bug report function from the Help =20 menu it also tells me: configured using `configure '--without-sound' '--without-pop' = '--=20 without-dbus' '--without-gconf' '--with-x-toolkit=3Dathena' '--x-=20 libraries=3D/opt/local/lib' '--x-includes=3D/opt/local/include' = '--enable-=20 locallisppath=3D/Library/Application Support/Emacs/calendar24:/Library/=20= Application Support/Emacs' 'CFLAGS=3D-g -Wno-pointer-sign -H -pipe -fPIC = =20 -mcpu=3D7450 -mtune=3D7450 -faltivec -maltivec -fast'' These libraries are used by my GTK variant: /opt/local/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/loaders/libpixbufloader-xpm.so /opt/local/lib/libatk-1.0.0.2609.1.dylib /opt/local/lib/libbz2.1.0.5.dylib /opt/local/lib/libcairo.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libcroco-0.6.3.0.1.dylib /opt/local/lib/libdbus-1.3.dylib /opt/local/lib/libdbus-glib-1.2.1.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libexpat.1.5.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libfontconfig.1.dylib /opt/local/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgconf-2.4.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgif.4.1.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgio-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libglib-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgmodule-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgobject-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgsf-1.114.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgthread-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libICE.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libiconv.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libintl.8.0.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libjpeg.7.dylib /opt/local/lib/libncurses.5.dylib /opt/local/lib/libORBit-2.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libotf.0.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libpango-1.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libpixman-1.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libpng12.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/librsvg-2.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libSM.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libtiff.3.dylib /opt/local/lib/libX11.6.3.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXau.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXcomposite.1.0.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXcursor.1.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXdamage.1.1.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXdmcp.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXext.6.4.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXfixes.3.1.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXft.2.1.13.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXi.6.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXinerama.1.dylib /opt/local/lib/libxml2.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXpm.4.11.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXrandr.2.dylib /opt/local/lib/libXrender.1.3.0.dylib /opt/local/lib/libz.1.2.3.dylib /opt/local/lib/pango/1.6.0/modules/pango-basic-fc.so >> >> Which scroll-bars do you have, the left or the right ones? (I'm not >> going to tell which is which...) > > I have it on the right. As most other X11 applications have too. > > I hope, you won't say that it matters if the scrollbar is left or =20 > right? This plays no role. I wanted you to tell whether the scroll bars look =20= like GTK or something else. Therefore I attached a screen-shot. GTK =20 and other scroll-bars bear characteristic elements. -- Mit friedvollen Gr=FC=DFen Pete Sorry my terrible English, my native language Lisp