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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261215 Archived-At: > I don't think somebody has > suggested dynamically adding/removing buttons from the toolbar, though? I think Christopher did suggest that. And I think he suggested that users even be able to easily define their own toolbar buttons/icons. But he'll correct me if I'm mistaken in this. > What has been suggested is that only modes where it makes sense should > enable the toolbar (and there probably aren't that many where it makes > much sense). For some (individual?) definition of "makes sense", it could well make sense for most modes/buffers. The point is that different users can work differently. > However, that's probably technically difficult -- people have setups > where they've computed the size of the Emacs windows based on whether > (or not) they have toolbars enabled? So switching the toolbars on/off > dynamically may lead to some difficulties in that area? I already mentioned tool-bar+.el, which lets you dynamically show and use the tool bar for one-off use, by clicking a pseudo menu-bar menu name. The tool-bar appears, you click a button for its action, then the tool-bar disappears. Currently this is only per-frame, not per window. And currently I have to use a menu-bar menu for the "button" that pops up the tool-bar. It might be nicer to have an icon button for this in the menu-bar, if that were possible. ___ We might also consider having a "hamburger" menu in the mode-line. Items in that menu could show/hide the menu|tool-bar or pop them up for one-off actions. That's one more way to save screen real estate while giving discoverable access to menus and tool buttons.