From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Documentation of transient-mark-mode is sloppy, wrong, and confused. Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:31 +0300 Message-ID: <83zlcw43nc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20090528122927.GA2175@muc.de> <87fxepf9s8.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <20090528201529.GA4605@muc.de> <87bppdx8c0.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <20090528230359.GA1474@muc.de> <83zlcwqp89.fsf@gnu.org> <871vq8cjxq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1243592828 22620 80.91.229.12 (29 May 2009 10:27:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 10:27:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, cyd@stupidchicken.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri May 29 12:27:04 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1M9zIj-0007TJ-VX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 12:27:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44996 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M9zIj-00017u-8J for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:27:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M9z6f-0000bA-36 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:14:33 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1M9z6c-0000ZS-Vi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:14:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57910 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1M9z6c-0000ZB-7A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:14:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout3.012.net.il ([84.95.2.7]:12114) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M9z6b-0004hE-N8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 06:14:30 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout3.012.net.il by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KKE00500HMG3W00@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:28 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.228.115.215]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KKE003ISHS39O00@i_mtaout3.012.net.il>; Fri, 29 May 2009 13:14:28 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <871vq8cjxq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111192 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Cc: Stefan Monnier , > acm@muc.de, > cyd@stupidchicken.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 18:55:29 +0900 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > > email. Sorry for the poor wording - it's late and I'm tired. > > > > > > I would find this fairly confusing > > > > So would I. If you read this text carefully, it actually says > > something like "the region is active when Emacs marks it as active." > > That's hardly a definition of what "active" is. > > Read a little more carefully. It also explains how the behavior of > Emacs changes when the mark is active. That *is* a definition of > "active". Right, but that "definition-through-behavior" was exactly what Alan opposed to in the first place!