From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: right-char and left-char Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:37:43 +0200 Message-ID: <83zkhdf04o.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k48it6g3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pqiagew4.fsf@gnu.org> <8762k1ojy0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <7468A6AF024347A3A3E25EC092F18570@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317991274 849 80.91.229.12 (7 Oct 2011 12:41:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 07 14:41:10 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC9je-00039C-KJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:41:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51794 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC9jd-0006hI-Uk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:41:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55532) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC9jY-0006hB-Fq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:41:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC9jS-0000CQ-IL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:41:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:37167) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC9jS-0000CA-6h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:40:54 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LSP007004AJCL00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:37:40 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.91.138]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LSP0065P4ERN3C0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:37:40 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <7468A6AF024347A3A3E25EC092F18570@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144691 Archived-At: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 15:45:53 -0700 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Wrt the _key_ named `left', Eli said: > > "Because `left' and `right' behave differently depending on the bidirectional > context,"... > > and "if `left' sometimes moves _forward_ in the buffer, binding it to a command > called `backward-char' [would be] a lie." > > [Of course back then he also said, "[Bidi] _is_ optional: you can set > bidi-display-reordering to nil" (his emphasis). Now he says that that variable > is not to make bidi optional for users but is only for bidi debugging. [...]] Translation: Don't believe a word of what the lying Eli says. Nice. Of course, back then I also said The only reason why the bidi-display-reordering flag will stay is because unibyte buffers should not be reordered. (which in the meantime is also OBE, since the value of bidi-display-reordering is ignored in unibyte buffers). I guess you've conveniently "forgot" to cite that. How to reconcile this "contradiction" in two sentences I wrote in the same message, is left as an exercise for the reader.