From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12908: 24.3.50; file `emacs_backtrace.txt'? Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:42:31 +0200 Message-ID: <83zk2g10ew.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4B9EFDFEE27E43DBB6331605DD7C2842@us.oracle.com> <50A7DB2C.7050501@cs.ucla.edu> <8339082gig.fsf@gnu.org> <50A7E5AB.3040006@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353181399 11713 80.91.229.3 (17 Nov 2012 19:43:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:43:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12908@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 17 20:43:30 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TZoIY-0003wp-N2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 20:43:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35095 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TZoIO-0005St-GT for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:43:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51397) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TZoIJ-0005Rk-No for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:43:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TZoIG-0004D0-Lq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:43:11 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:41073) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TZoIG-0004Cv-Ia for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:43:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TZoJ8-0002FA-3C for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:44:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12908 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 12908-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12908.13531814408609 (code B ref 12908); Sat, 17 Nov 2012 19:44:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12908) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2012 19:44:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51324 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TZoJ5-0002Eo-JI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:43:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:59481) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TZoJ2-0002Ee-4x for 12908@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 14:43:57 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MDN00500CQE5600@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 12908@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:43:01 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MDN004LXDFMTDA0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 17 Nov 2012 21:42:59 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <50A7E5AB.3040006@cs.ucla.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:67075 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2012 11:29:47 -0800 > From: Paul Eggert > CC: 12908@debbugs.gnu.org > > On 11/17/2012 11:09 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > That suitable place is in a subdirectory of the user's home directory, > > at least on the most popular systems, according to the Emacs manual. > > Sure, but it's under the user's control, and it's easy to > change the default. Unless we are going to ask each Emacs user to change the default so that the file ends up in .emacs.d, we still have a discrepancy vs what Stefan asked to do. > > unlike Unix, a GUI program invoked on Windows > > from a desktop icon normally has its standard error stream closed. > > This is a problem not just for backtraces, but for everything that > Emacs sends to stderr. Which is nothing on Windows, except in debug builds with non-default options turned on, which are used only by experts (who know how not to lose this stuff). > Perhaps it would be better for Emacs, on Microsoft Windows, to > redirect stderr to a file, so that the information does not get > lost. It's not easy to do that, and it isn't worth the trouble, see above. But if someone volunteers to do that, my hat's off. Until then, we cannot safely use stderr on Windows for information we cannot afford losing.