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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 12911@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt'	files are written
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 05:58:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zk2dvsba.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy5hxxpv3.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 12911@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 16:15:17 -0500
> 
> > Making it in ~/.emacs.d on w32 alone doesn't change the basic fact
> > that most of the users we care about will still have their backtraces
> > in random places.
> 
> No, ~/.xsesson-errors is not a random place.  Even if the user doesn't
> know it, we do.

This place is also platform-specific.  Not on every Posix platform
stderr is put there.

> > Why not change that on all platforms?
> 
> Because stderr is good enough under GNU/Linux (and it's easy to
> redirect when it matters).

And the current arrangement on Windows is good enough for that system.

> > Why demand that only of w32?
> 
> Because currently w32 users get annoyed with new files appearing where
> they don't want any.

Only one user complained so far.

> If you prefer to always send it to stderr under Windows, please do
> so, I really couldn't care less if that means it's usually sent to
> /dev/null.

Well, I do care, so I wrote the code to be better than that.

> No, writing to an arbitrary file in the current directory is not
> a good arrangement.

I disagree, obviously.

> I didn't like the backtrace business to start with and am finding it
> worse by the day.

Should I say "told you so"?





  reply	other threads:[~2012-11-20  3:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-11-16 20:48 bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt' files are written Drew Adams
2012-11-16 21:05 ` bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt'files " Drew Adams
2012-11-16 21:19 ` bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt' files " Stefan Monnier
2012-11-17  7:26   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-17 17:38     ` Drew Adams
2012-11-17 17:55       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-17 18:24         ` Drew Adams
2012-11-19  1:52     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-19  3:51       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-19  4:07         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-19 15:52           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-19 18:04             ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-19 18:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-19 18:35                 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-19 18:40                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-19 19:47                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-19 20:05                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-19 21:15                         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-20  3:58                           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2012-11-20  4:59                             ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-20  5:02                               ` Daniel Colascione
2012-11-20 13:16                                 ` Andy Moreton
2012-11-20 16:27                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-20 17:03                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-20 17:36                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2012-11-20 18:02                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-20 18:57                                       ` bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether)`emacs_backtrace.txt' " Drew Adams
2012-11-20 19:58                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-20 21:47                                           ` Drew Adams
2012-11-21  3:47                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-21  4:03                                               ` Daniel Colascione
2012-11-21 15:43                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-21 16:24                                                   ` bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether)`emacs_backtrace.txt' filesare written Drew Adams
     [not found]                                                     ` <E86D7DFBD2BD4C3394E5316EF0321A! 95@us.oracle.com>
2012-11-21 16:45                                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-21 17:40                                                       ` Drew Adams
2012-11-21 17:43                                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-21 18:01                                                           ` Drew Adams
2012-11-21 18:13                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-21 18:42                                                               ` Drew Adams
2012-11-20 18:30                                   ` bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt' files are written Stefan Monnier
2012-11-20 18:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-20 20:15                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-20 16:36                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-11-20 17:11                                 ` bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt'files " Drew Adams
2012-11-20 17:53                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-20 18:10                                     ` Drew Adams
2012-11-20 18:27                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-20 19:15                                         ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-20 19:41                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-20 20:11                                             ` Dani Moncayo
2012-11-20 20:37                                             ` selected-frame and selected-window Stefan Monnier
2012-11-21 17:05                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2012-12-08 12:24                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-12-08 23:51                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-12-09  3:50                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-12-14 15:53                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-12-14 16:04                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-20 17:49                                 ` bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt' files are written Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-11-16 18:30 bug#12908: 24.3.50; file `emacs_backtrace.txt'? Drew Adams
2012-11-17 18:45 ` Paul Eggert
2012-11-17 19:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-17 19:29     ` Paul Eggert
2012-11-17 19:42       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-17 21:25         ` Paul Eggert
2012-11-18  4:04           ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-18  5:19             ` Paul Eggert
2012-11-18 17:16               ` bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt' files are written Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-18 19:18                 ` Paul Eggert
2012-11-18 21:10                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-19  1:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-11-19  3:50                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-17 23:01     ` bug#12908: 24.3.50; file `emacs_backtrace.txt'? Drew Adams
2012-11-18  3:58       ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-18  4:40         ` Drew Adams
2012-11-18 17:53           ` bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt' files are written Eli Zaretskii
2012-11-18 18:42             ` Drew Adams
2012-11-18  5:19         ` bug#12908: 24.3.50; file `emacs_backtrace.txt'? Paul Eggert
2012-11-18 17:08           ` bug#12911: 24.3.50; let users decide where (& perhaps whether) `emacs_backtrace.txt' files are written Eli Zaretskii

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