From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#12973: @: overused in manual Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:44:52 +0200 Message-ID: <83zk27savf.fsf@gnu.org> References: <50AFCDA1.8020500@cs.ucla.edu> <831ufjtsrb.fsf@gnu.org> <50B06D14.2070104@cs.ucla.edu> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353743138 15484 80.91.229.3 (24 Nov 2012 07:45:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 07:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 12973@debbugs.gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 24 08:45:48 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TcAQt-00039f-2B for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 08:45:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48145 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TcAQi-00034s-Ag for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 02:45:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54057) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TcAQf-00034m-Ej for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 02:45:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TcAQe-0005UH-CL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 02:45:33 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:53774) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TcAQe-0005UB-9G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 02:45:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TcAS5-0003Pk-Ma for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 02:47:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2012 07:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 12973 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 12973-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B12973.135374318413082 (code B ref 12973); Sat, 24 Nov 2012 07:47:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 12973) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2012 07:46:24 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35792 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TcART-0003Ow-5Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 02:46:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:39767) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TcARP-0003Oo-Qr for 12973@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 02:46:21 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MDZ00B00ER2QU00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 12973@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:44:48 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MDZ00BA0EUNLQ30@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 24 Nov 2012 09:44:48 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <50B06D14.2070104@cs.ucla.edu> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:67392 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2012 22:45:40 -0800 > From: Paul Eggert > CC: Glenn Morris , 12973@debbugs.gnu.org > > American style guides seem to prefer the commas almost universally. > British guides are not that way (Fowler 3rd, in particular, says to omit > comma after i.e.; it says nothing about e.g.). The Emacs manual > is written in American English, though, not in British English. It is pointless to argue about personal style preferences. In any case, in my experience, this kind of changes is quickly made futile by future changes to the manuals that re-introduce comma-less e.g. and i.e. back into the text. So if we want to adhere to the style that prefers the comma, we should IMO install some change that enforces these rules, to be run at "make info" time and flag any deviations.