From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to restore the layout? Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:51:59 +0300 Message-ID: <83zjuae19s.fsf@gnu.org> References: <51C5AA68.4000204@alice.it> <51C8B2C8.4000803@gmx.at> <51C93CDB.2020301@gmx.at> <51C9C790.3020407@gmx.at> <51CA0D4C.7080204@alice.it> <51CC3E42.7020409@alice.it> <51CC4CC1.3030202@alice.it> <51CC8403.1030009@gmx.at> <51CCA56A.8000508@gmx.at> <51CD49CF.1090103@gmx.at> <2FB4C583-960C-4DA8-8B2E-29DF8D96770E@swipnet.se> <51CD6324.2040504@gmx.at> <834ncifkq9.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372431158 3091 80.91.229.3 (28 Jun 2013 14:52:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 14:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: stephen.berman@gmx.net, angelo.graziosi@alice.it, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rudalics@gmx.at, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, jan.h.d@swipnet.se, kjambunathan@gmail.com To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 28 16:52:37 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Usa2P-0002Fl-Ho for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 16:52:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43235 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Usa2P-0006om-3I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:52:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50575) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Usa2L-0006oS-6K for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:52:34 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Usa2I-0006BW-Vt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:52:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:49848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Usa2I-0006BH-Nx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:52:30 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MP300L00YC71400@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:52:02 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MP300LPQYMO1M10@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 17:52:01 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161220 Archived-At: > From: Juanma Barranquero > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 15:22:38 +0200 > Cc: martin rudalics , jan.h.d@swipnet.se, > Angelo Graziosi , Emacs developers , > Stefan Monnier , Stephen Berman , > Jambunathan K > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > It's not about being customizable, it's about avoiding the "perfect" > > solution (which doesn't exist). > > Sorry, no. I'm not trying to find the perfect solution; if I were, I > wouldn't have committed the current code, which is far from perfect. > It's about trying to find ways to satisfy most users, for some value > of "most" preferably >= 90%. So in the end, whether you think that > restoring the size *and* position is necessary or not (to the extent > that is is *possible* in the first place, of course) is really a > matter of opinion and taste, and so, customization. It is not necessary, although it is desirable. Which means if it's too damn hard, don't bother, just punt and display a message. Therefore, customization will not help here, because what's it gonna tell you? "try harder"?