From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: participation & contribution [was: Latest changes with lisp/uni-*.el and leim/quail] Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:36:10 +0200 Message-ID: <83zjom5ls5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83txew8m9v.fsf@gnu.org> <837gbr8uxa.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqjqts1b.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385800588 3828 80.91.229.3 (30 Nov 2013 08:36:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 08:36:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dmoncayo@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jambunathan K Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 30 09:36:33 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vmg2S-0001CD-1P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 09:36:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51279 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vmg2R-00025w-Hm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 03:36:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48000) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vmg2K-00025p-CL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 03:36:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vmg2F-0002n5-Gt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 03:36:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:50575) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vmg2F-0002mz-96 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 03:36:19 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MX200500IAA6U00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:36:17 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MX2005C1IKH3140@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:36:17 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87wqjqts1b.fsf@gmail.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165928 Archived-At: > From: Jambunathan K > Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:17:12 +0530 > Cc: Emacs development discussions , > Dani Moncayo > > Drew Adams writes: > > >> 1. A user that provides feedback/bug reports is valuable, even if he > >> doesn't submit patches. > >> > >> 2. A user that also submit patches is even more valuable, even if he > >> doesn't commit them. > >> > >> 3. A user that also commit his patches is even (a little) more valuable. > >> > >> Currently I'm at level 2. It's better than nothing, isn't it? > > > > +1, for drawing attention to the worth of #1 and #2. > > I am in agreement with what Drew writes. > > To add to that... > > Submit a patch move on. Adding a note, that someone else commit it is > just .... Surely, no one is under any obligation to commit or accept > the patch. > > Similarly, insisting that people use Bzr or Commit their Patch can be an > exhortation, a minor form of persuasion - not quite unlike the "commit > my patch". The other party is under no obligation. You are both off-track: this has nothing to do with _contributions_. Glenn's frustration (which I share) is that here's an Emacs _developer_ who has write access to the repository, and is quite capable of doing the 5-sec commit job, but refuses to do so on some ^%$#@! principle and lame excuses. IOW, he is publicly demonstrating his attitude to the project, asking others (whose plate is much more full than his, and whose time is more sparse than his) to act as his dutiful servants. If this is not unfairness in its extreme, then I don't know what is. Dani should do some soul-searching. That each one of you backed him up is really because you talk about Dani, but think about your own, quite different, cases.