From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is intellisense features integration in Emacs technically possible? Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:29:43 +0200 Message-ID: <83zjmpf80o.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1390269670.2888.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390332591 15222 80.91.229.3 (21 Jan 2014 19:29:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 19:29:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tom Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 21 20:29:56 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W5h1E-0000Ox-66 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 20:29:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60182 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5h1D-0003aE-PJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:29:51 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40234) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5h13-0003XW-Nl for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:29:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5h0w-0001v2-CO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:29:41 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:36507) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W5h0w-0001uy-4W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 14:29:34 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MZR00A00NCS6H00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:29:32 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MZR009XGNH7TS80@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Tue, 21 Jan 2014 21:29:32 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168848 Archived-At: > From: Tom > Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 18:59:10 +0000 (UTC) > > Creating mature and extensive intellisense features is hard work, > it requires lots of man hours and while it's technically possible to > implement it in emacs it is unlikely to happen, because emacs lacks > the developing resources. According to this logic something like the rewrite of the display engine that happened between Emacs 20 and Emacs 21, or bidirectional editing support for Emacs 24 would never have happened. But it did. Each one of these took many man-months of work. Look at the amount of changes that get committed every day to the Emacs repository, and try to estimate the effort that goes into that. Sometimes I wish I had such resources at my disposal on my daytime job. I think the shortage is not in development resources, but in motivated individuals who'd sit down and do the job, and lobby others to come on board and help. Volunteers are welcome. > A better way is to build on the hard work of other and interface > emacs with an external tool. Personally, I think implementing such features via external programs is a terrible design. It will never be smooth and responsive enough, and on top of that you'd need to track development of those other tools. And what if they become abandoned some day?