From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20540: 25.0.50; Document tooltip woes, including `help-echo' Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 18:26:47 +0300 Message-ID: <83zj5cmp1k.fsf@gnu.org> References: Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431272044 1113 80.91.229.3 (10 May 2015 15:34:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 15:34:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20540@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 10 17:33:53 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YrTEl-00050x-Tl for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 May 2015 17:33:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33808 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrTEk-0007pC-UY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 10 May 2015 11:33:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38868) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrTEb-0007BR-IB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2015 11:33:46 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrT98-00075s-BN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2015 11:28:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:58414) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrT98-00075l-8S for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2015 11:28:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YrT97-0003MM-SE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2015 11:28:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 15:28:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20540 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20540-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20540.143127164112863 (code B ref 20540); Sun, 10 May 2015 15:28:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20540) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 May 2015 15:27:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40156 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YrT8S-0003LO-Cu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2015 11:27:20 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:53795) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YrT8P-0003L5-Ne for 20540@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2015 11:27:18 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NO50040045AS000@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 20540@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 May 2015 18:26:56 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NO5004EY48VRP10@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sun, 10 May 2015 18:26:56 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:102636 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 07:36:25 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 20540@debbugs.gnu.org > > > You've omitted the facts you've found, for some reason. That's a > > bad idea: since no one really knows about these limitations, > > Someone who understands the code (C code, IIUC) can discover them. Yes, but there are a lot of frame parameters; trying them one by one is a lot of work. Just by looking at the code, I see nothing special, except the obvious omissions, such as scroll bars. > > if you want to raise the chances that this bug report will be acted > > upon, I urge you to describe everything you tried and found not to > > work, so that whoever takes upon this task will have the "bread-crumbs" > > to go by. Otherwise, researching this issue from scratch is an > > unpleasant task that is unlikely to find its volunteer. Thanks. > > I'll try. But I don't have many such "facts". Whatever you tried and saw failed will be helpful, TIA. > I mention here some superficial tests I tried, in case it helps. Thanks, it does help. > > > Although `x-show-tip' seems to let you change the char size, color, > > > background color, etc., and you can use property `display' with > > > `help-echo', > > Do you need an example of using `display' with `help-echo'? I use > a sexp like this for `help-echo' in dired+.el, to show a thumbnail > preview of an image file on mouseover: > > (propertize " " 'display (create-image file)) This is good enough, thanks.